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Title: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Chris Nelson on March 24, 2020, 03:29:19 PM
There have been some questions about how Championships Qualifications will work, with all of the cancelled trials.

At this point we aren't going to publish any changes, since we are right in the thick of things, and we don't know when trials are going to be able to start again.

But rest assured there will 100% be adjustments to the qualifying criteria for this year.   We just have to know the final damage, before we decide what those changes are :)

Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: agilityaddict2 on March 25, 2020, 12:42:36 PM
Well, I for one will be excited if Champs is able to still be held, but I am not exactly hopeful. I know it must cost a lot of money that NADAC probably wont have with all the cancellations of trials.
On a somewhat related note . If there is any way members can help NADAC financially please let us know. I dont mean to make Champs happen, I mean to keep you afloat as an agility venue in general.  Go fund me, from what I heard ,takes a large portion of the money for themselves. Maybe you could set up a special bank account that we could send donations to. After speaking  with my nadac friends, there are a lot of competitors who are happy to send something to help the organization we all love and want to see continue when this is all over.
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Marcy Matties on March 25, 2020, 01:23:09 PM
Well, I for one will be excited if Champs is able to still be held, but I am not exactly hopeful. I know it must cost a lot of money that NADAC probably wont have with all the cancellations of trials.
On a somewhat related note . If there is any way members can help NADAC financially please let us know. I dont mean to make Champs happen, I mean to keep you afloat as an agility venue in general.  Go fund me, from what I heard ,takes a large portion of the money for themselves. Maybe you could set up a special bank account that we could send donations to. After speaking  with my nadac friends, there are a lot of competitors who are happy to send something to help the organization we all love and want to see continue when this is all over.

One thing people can do - if they have the place to do it - is to do VTs.  Not only does it keep you and your dog "in shape", but for every successful run you are also "contributing" $10 to NADAC's expenses.  I'm sure it's not equivalent to their normal weekend trial income, but it has to be a help.
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Chris Nelson on March 25, 2020, 02:38:04 PM
I'm not opposed to doing a fund-raising deal.

We already have all the accounts required to take in donations, so the cost isn't a huge issue.

I just want that to be a last resort :)
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: MoabDiane on March 25, 2020, 05:36:18 PM
Depending....of course, on a lot of things!
But let's say that Champs actually happens - hooray!

Is there some way we could all agree to make it less expensive?
I LOVE the 'swag bags' we get - but other than the commemorative shirt, is there anything else that folks MUST have?
Or maybe some way to "take or not take" some of the other things?

I know awards are expensive, but am guessing that folks who deserve those really do want them!
But perhaps this year, they could be a bit less pricey?

I'm totally open to whatever, just thought I'd throw that out there for consideration!

Hang in there, y'all, and wash your hands!
diane
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Marcy Matties on March 25, 2020, 06:03:57 PM
Depending....of course, on a lot of things!
But let's say that Champs actually happens - hooray!

Is there some way we could all agree to make it less expensive?
I LOVE the 'swag bags' we get - but other than the commemorative shirt, is there anything else that folks MUST have?
Or maybe some way to "take or not take" some of the other things?

I know awards are expensive, but am guessing that folks who deserve those really do want them!
But perhaps this year, they could be a bit less pricey?

I'm totally open to whatever, just thought I'd throw that out there for consideration!

Hang in there, y'all, and wash your hands!
diane

Agree.  What's important is that we get to participate with our pups.  Yes, swag is great.  But definitely not necessary - especially in these circumstances.  It would be hard if it was just - people don't take what they don't want/need.  NADAC wouldn't know until Champs was underway and purchases are made way in advance. 

So (1) - lighten up on whatever they've been purchasing for the bags and save expenses and

TWO:  Only ONE bag (or whatever it is) PER HANDLER.  Some of us have 2, 3, or even 4 or more dogs entered.  We certainly don't need that many bags or whatever.  And even the same with shirts.  One per handler is plenty.

It's a long way until we get to the point of being able to celebrate at Champs.  But if we DO get to, then let's concentrate on the joy of being there and reduce the unnecessary expenses as much as possible.
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: dogrsqr on March 25, 2020, 07:23:19 PM
How about when we get to play agility again clubs look into putting on a fundraiser? Some that are already scheduled are likely to get canceled.  No ribbons   necessary and hopefully can use a judge or judges that are local orwould be coming anyway and agreeable to judge for free. (Or for a free entry).

Gina Pizzo
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Chris Nelson on March 26, 2020, 10:48:32 AM
Champs this year could definitely have some creative things happening!

The swag bags last year were about 25% of the budget for the event.   So it definitely makes up a large portion.   Luckily a lot of the stuff that people really liked last year, I can make myself through MRC Ink, so I can just do those at cost and it will be a LOT cheaper.

Ribbons and awards are about the same, at about 25% of the budget.

The remaining 50% was used for judges, workers, food expenses, facility costs, travel costs, misc stuff like the vendor banners, purple curtains etc.


So depending on how things go, we might try to find a way to lower those costs a bit.    We'll definitely keep everyone aware of what's happening.

Again a BIG advantage we have is that I have MRC Ink now, so anything that we normally would need to be ordering in June, which is anything customized like the bags, notebooks etc, those can all be pushed back a LOT farther since we can do them in house now.   So I could wait to order everything until probably August 1st.    So we have that at least.
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: MoabDiane on March 26, 2020, 11:41:00 AM
This Forum needs a "LIKE" button!

I love Marcie's idea about one bag per competitor, vs. per dog.  I'm only running one now, but yeah.  Two (or more) is excessive!
And yay for Chris and his INK business!!!  Still - cost is cost. We shall not be greedy!

Stay safe everyone - and wash your hands!
diane
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: dogrsqr on March 26, 2020, 12:09:06 PM
Chris will it help if people enter champs and side runs now?  At least that gives you some cash now?

Gina Pizzo
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Chris Nelson on March 26, 2020, 12:21:28 PM
Chris will it help if people enter champs and side runs now?  At least that gives you some cash now?

Gina Pizzo

Honestly I am okay with people waiting.    I don't really want to think that Champs could be cancelled, but if it does happen it would be easier to have fewer transactions to go through and refund.

I'm still optimistic, but that possibility is definitely still out there.
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Amy McGovern on March 26, 2020, 02:20:12 PM
Re swag:  I'd be 100% happy with paying for whatever swag we want.  I'd personally pay for the t shirt and the bar.  :). Don't know how true that is for others.

-Amy
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Dieselblonde on March 26, 2020, 05:05:03 PM
I am more than happy to pay for my swag too!!
Thank you for all you do for us!!!!
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Richard Wolfe on March 26, 2020, 05:23:18 PM
I've always appreciated the swag!!!!  Really good stuff!!!  But that's not why I do this!!!!
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: RobertStewart on March 26, 2020, 06:50:50 PM
Re swag:  I'd be 100% happy with paying for whatever swag we want.  I'd personally pay for the t shirt and the bar.  :). Don't know how true that is for others.

-Amy

Totally agree with this one.
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Kyle on March 27, 2020, 08:25:40 AM
In all honesty, just stating the fact that this year just isn't going to be a year that NADAC can donate towards anything in a "swag bag" should be a perfect answer. No t-shirt, no bar, no goodies, no bag - period. People are going to lose their businesses this year no matter what, so, asking small business NADAC to pony up for a shirt and a personalized bar, a fun bag and other goodies seems kind of otherworldly....

Why not include (meaning: revise now) on the entry form for Champs there will be no goodie bag and that if you want a t-shirt it will be $?? dollars (your cost - heck add in an extra buck to two or ten if you want, gotta pay the bills!) and a separate spot to check if they want a bar and it will be $?? (your cost + whatever). We pay it ahead with our entry so you have the money and aren't *generously* giving this stuff to us when you shouldn't have to. Anybody who has already entered can get a kindly written note about the option to purchase a shirt and bar.

Obviously this way we are helping two small businesses out - Chris with his shirts and whoever he hires to do the bars. Win/win. Yay!

2020 is a vastly different year than any other year and we can't expect Championships to be exactly the same (as we'd like it to be). I agree with Chris that I feel this is going to go on longer than April or May and the effects will linger long after that.

Just my opinion as a person who would be willing to buy a shirt and/or bar if I want it. Especially THIS year. (This year sucks....)

-Kyle

Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: agilityaddict2 on March 27, 2020, 08:44:45 AM
Totally agree with Kyle. IF we get to have a Champs this year, I dont think NADAC should have to lay out any extra $ for swag bags. I personally want to go to Champs for me and my dog, so if I didnt get a bag I wouldn't be upset. For those that want one, maybe there could be a spot on the entry for you to check and it will say how much it will cost you.
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Jean Sather (McCreight) on March 27, 2020, 01:43:07 PM
This seems to me like a good idea Kyle.  Well stated.
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: RobertStewart on March 27, 2020, 02:22:34 PM
In all honesty, just stating the fact that this year just isn't going to be a year that NADAC can donate towards anything in a "swag bag" should be a perfect answer. No t-shirt, no bar, no goodies, no bag - period. People are going to lose their businesses this year no matter what, so, asking small business NADAC to pony up for a shirt and a personalized bar, a fun bag and other goodies seems kind of otherworldly....

Why not include (meaning: revise now) on the entry form for Champs there will be no goodie bag and that if you want a t-shirt it will be $?? dollars (your cost - heck add in an extra buck to two or ten if you want, gotta pay the bills!) and a separate spot to check if they want a bar and it will be $?? (your cost + whatever). We pay it ahead with our entry so you have the money and aren't *generously* giving this stuff to us when you shouldn't have to. Anybody who has already entered can get a kindly written note about the option to purchase a shirt and bar.

Obviously this way we are helping two small businesses out - Chris with his shirts and whoever he hires to do the bars. Win/win. Yay!

2020 is a vastly different year than any other year and we can't expect Championships to be exactly the same (as we'd like it to be). I agree with Chris that I feel this is going to go on longer than April or May and the effects will linger long after that.

Just my opinion as a person who would be willing to buy a shirt and/or bar if I want it. Especially THIS year. (This year sucks....)

-Kyle


These are some great ideas Kyle. I do like the T-shirts however, I have no problem at with paying a bit extra for them. It could all go on a pre-order basis, I love the sweatshirt I bought at Champs last year.
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Marcy Matties on March 27, 2020, 02:46:47 PM
Hey Chris:  Is the crating reservation still going to take place beginning April 1st?  Eternal optimist here wants to be sure I get the Texas Crating area reserved  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Janice_Shavor on March 27, 2020, 03:28:52 PM
I'm good with one bag per person (if there is a bag).  And I would pay for the shirt and the bar.  Love both!
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Chris Nelson on March 27, 2020, 05:53:51 PM
Hey Chris:  Is the crating reservation still going to take place beginning April 1st?  Eternal optimist here wants to be sure I get the Texas Crating area reserved  :) :) :)

I should probably get working on that!

I got a bit distracted and haven't even set it up yet, but yes we should still be able to get it up :)
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Karen Birdsong on March 31, 2020, 03:38:05 PM
  Suggestion...postpone the crating assignments.  I've talked to several people that would like to go to 2020 Champs, but with all that's going on in our lives right now,they are not ready to think too seriously about it, let along commit right now. 

A large number of exhibitors have no yards, no place to work and train their dogs right now.  This makes it harder to think about going to Champs, when you can't train. 
 
Many groups like to crate together, but I imagine many do not have a realistic count of spots needed right now.  I'm sure NADAC does not want us to "guess" at a number as it creates a lot of shifting as the event days near.

  Anyway, I take some pressure off yourself (NADAC) and let this go for a while.   MHO
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Lorrie Stelz on April 07, 2020, 07:41:05 AM
I agree.  I think crating reservations should hold for a few months.  No one knows how Coronavirus will affect qualifications and plans.
Title: Re: Championships Qualifications
Post by: Chris Nelson on April 07, 2020, 04:39:24 PM
Well the thing is, crating reservations are free.  And they're very easy to open back up.

And, crating reservations are usually how we get an actual accurate view of how many people are coming, because they may not answer surveys, but folks will reserve their crating spot immediately.

So it's open and I'm happy with that decision.

There will be spots taken, and we're encouraging people to have multiple people in a single spot so we don't have a repeat of 2018.   

Unless we get over 360 dogs, we have ample enough room for everyone, so even if you aren't sure about entering you can at least get crating figured out now, and we can always delete it later to open up a spot for someone else