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Sharon Nelson

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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2015, 08:55:10 AM »
Loving the input!  Especially about the scoring.  Such interesting feedback and I love hearing about it.

One comment about adding tunnels and such to Barrelers......... that would only happen if Gaters is removed..... then Barrelers would take on more of the "Gaters" look and the fun and thrill of the setup of Gaters.

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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2015, 10:28:37 AM »
I would like to see Gaters continue to be offered - it is a wonderful class to enter a "green" dog in.  I have had much success running Novice Gaters with a dog that is barely at the Intro level in other NADAC classes.  It offers a safe course where the dog can run super fast without worrying about contacts, handler corrections, etc.

That being said - I love the EGC Hoopers the best, Gaters second and Barrelers third.  I tried EGC Chances once, and will not do that again - way too much distance for a dog that only has a 50% pass rate at the novice level of regular Chances. 

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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2015, 10:50:53 AM »
I've only run in one EGC trial, but I loved the scoring concept.  No point in going back to fix a mistake; just keep going with the flow!
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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2015, 12:22:49 PM »
I enjoy running EGC. As a handler it keeps you on your toes. The line in XCH isn't an issue for me as I don't run beside my dogs. I have only had the opportunity to run it a few times and do not feel that the line in novice is excessive at all.

I would prefer if XBR was changed from the current cloverleaf type pattern. I feel that big striding dogs never get out of collection.  The addition of hoops and even a tunnel(!) would give handlers and dogs some mental relief from the constant turning and collecting.

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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2015, 01:37:36 PM »
I'm still trying to process all my thoughts on this, but I want to say I'll miss Gaters and XChances if they go.  I like having four flavors of EGC, but maybe I'm just selfish and want more to enter with my dog that likes EGC more than 'regular' agility.
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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2015, 01:46:48 PM »
I really enjoy all the Extreme Games and especially Hoopers and am glad to see it's here to stay.

They aren't offered in the central US near me, so I've only done them ONCE at the Purina Farms Funraiser and during Champs several times.  When they were introduced and sort of a different venue, I decided that I didn't really want to travel far to do them but would entere any time they were offered at a trial I was entering anyway, or if there was an  Extreme-only trial nearby when there was no other NADAC nearby.  And after several years, I retain that opinion.

As far as the question of adding barrels to XGaters, that would just seem to duplicate the tests of XBarrelers, so I don't personally see the point.  And if XGaters and XChances aren't that popular, dropping them from the mix would allow clubs to offer more runs of the popular classes.  That would seem to be a win-win, as the competitors would get the classes they want and would enter more, and the clubs would get more entries for those and obviously, to offer a trial you need to make a profit or at very least to break even.

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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2015, 01:49:00 PM »
Good input!

I am glad that someone brought up the issue with the dogs, especially the smaller dogs, having to negotiate the feet of the gates if they try to turn tightly around a gate.  That had been brought to my attention and I forgot to include it in my post.

I am leaning towards having three EGC classes, since we have three TTW classes (Tunnelers, Touch N Go, and Weavers) and three NADAC jumping classes (Chances, Jumpers and Regular).  The logical removal would be X-Chances, since we already have Chances in the NADAC program and X-Chances is the least favorite for clubs to offer and for competitors to enter.

The same issue is being brought up that has been observed with Barrelers........ that is it TOUGH for handlers to remember the courses at the Elite level.  If we added a couple Tunnels like we do in Gaters, it doesn't lessen the connection and path work required, but does make it easier for course memory.

I do think that people love Gaters because of course design.   If we used the same type of course design for Barrelers we could make that class even more fun!

I am still trying to work through the thoughts on Gaters......... turning a dog in a curve around a flat obstacle never "looks" right.  And the issue with the feet being in the dog's path is an issue.  As people say, it isn't the gate itself that makes Gaters fun, it is the course design used.

A cool idea was mentioned in a private response.......... to combine X-Hoopers and Barrelers in a combo type class where the dog does part of the hoop circle, come out to do a barrel type pattern and back in the hoop circle, etc........ to combine the skills of X-Hoopers and Barrelers in one combo class.

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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2015, 01:57:36 PM »
I forgot to mention in my earlier post that for Gate construction a friend and I have both used plastic snow fence/barrier fence instead of the lattice.  It's much lighter and we've seen no problems with it.  We attached it to the pvc frame with zip-ties.  WARNING:  you need to nip off the tag ends so the dogs' eyes aren't in danger.  And if you need to disassemble the gates for storage it's still somewhat time consuming but less so than removing the screws that attach the lattice.
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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2015, 01:58:31 PM »
Hm.  Although I just said I like more classes, the combo class actually sounds like it might be the option that makes the most sense.  Just have one Extreme Combo class that clubs could easily add to a regular weekend.
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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2015, 02:42:54 PM »
I love EGC & always choose to enter trials that offer it over trials that don't, even though it has become almost impossible for me to Q at the elite level ;)  I do like the idea of combining X-Gaters & X-Barrelers but if the idea is to just have 3 EGC classes I would prefer doing away with X-Chances over X-Gaters. X-Gaters tends to be the 1st class that people succeed in & keeps them coming back to EGC. One thing I haven't heard addressed is the back-to-back fault rule that takes away from the general rule of just keep moving in EGC. I do know that whatever you choose to do will be well thought out and I will happily continue in EGC in whatever form it evolves into.

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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2015, 02:43:28 PM »
I'm another hardcore EGC fan, and I agree with Dayle and Denise. The current format is great, but I'll keep happily playing EGC in any format available!

I agree that Gators is a great intro class for everyone, and it is a blast to run at all levels! It would be sad to see it go, since it's the "gateway" EGC course for many.  ;D

EGC Hoopers - love it in it's current form, and the idea of HooBarrels (Barroopers? Boopers?) sounds like a blast!

Barrelers - I like it, but as others have stated some courses require a lot of collection from the fast big-striding dogs. I love barrels on other NADAC courses, and I also liked the addition of hoops to Barrelers.

Extreme Chances - I think that courses over the last year or so seem more doable than previously, and therefore more encouraging to all. In the past these courses are sometimes very tough at all levels, and I could see this losing participants due to the difficulty. because of the difficulty, it is a big rush to get those EGC Chances points, and I'm in favor of keeping the course, but I certainly understand the reasons for considering eliminating the course.

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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2015, 02:47:25 PM »
Great comments!

I too agree that people love Gaters, but I think that it is because of course design, not because of gates.  If we removed the "gaters" class and then started doing Barrelers with the Gaters course design, I think we would have very happy people!!

What about X-Hoopers, Barrelers (using the Gaters course designs), and Combo for the three EGC classes??

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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2015, 02:57:57 PM »
That sounds like an excellent line-up, particularly with additional options for the Hoop Circle. I know that when we ran Combo at Champs (Springfield 2011) it was the most agility fun EVER, for both participants and spectators!

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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2015, 03:09:50 PM »
Great comments!

I too agree that people love Gaters, but I think that it is because of course design, not because of gates.  If we removed the "gaters" class and then started doing Barrelers with the Gaters course design, I think we would have very happy people!!

What about X-Hoopers, Barrelers (using the Gaters course designs), and Combo for the three EGC classes??

Sharon

I love it!!!!!  I can personally vouch for one person and two dogs who would be very happy with this plan!  :)  Dev
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Re: EGC 2015
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2015, 03:17:28 PM »
Great comments!

What about X-Hoopers, Barrelers (using the Gaters course designs), and Combo for the three EGC classes??

Sharon


Sounds like a good solution and stills lots of fun!
I'd hate to see it become scored like the other NADAC courses though. I think part of the fun is the pedal to the medal, don't look back philosophy. I'd agree with the earlier poster that I would probably prefer to see other courses move more to the EGC scoring than the other way around.
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