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Title: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: ljstringer on October 19, 2013, 04:34:12 PM
Is strategic hoopers still being offered as a class at trials?
Lynn Stringer
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Sharon Nelson on October 19, 2013, 05:05:01 PM
Is strategic hoopers still being offered as a class at trials?
Lynn Stringer

It can be, but it is rarely used.  We used to include in in every "course set", but I don't anymore.  We just design them for the occasional times they are needed.   There are 6-8 clubs that still offer strategic hoopers.

Sharon
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: MoabDiane on October 19, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
Only sort of kidding...but WHERE are those clubs?  I *loved* strategic hoopers!

 ;D

diane
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Linda on October 20, 2013, 06:09:16 AM
Most clubs around here don't offer any hoopers at all. Makes it hard to get an All Around when you can't even find the class to run in.  :( I'm wondering if maybe Hoopers is going to be eliminated completely and that's why it is not being offered?
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Sharon Nelson on October 20, 2013, 09:32:40 AM
Most clubs around here don't offer any hoopers at all. Makes it hard to get an All Around when you can't even find the class to run in.  :( I'm wondering if maybe Hoopers is going to be eliminated completely and that's why it is not being offered?

The All Arounds will change to also allow Extreme Hoopers too.  Lots of clubs offer Numbered Hoopers, but only a few offer Strategic Hoopers.  If the trend continues, then Extreme Hoopers will replace both Strategic Hoopers and Numbered Hoopers.

Sharon
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: LeeAnne McAdam on October 20, 2013, 09:59:47 AM
Woo-hoo!  I like any kind of hopers, but we would love to see more ex. Hopers!
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Maureen deHaan on October 20, 2013, 11:53:11 AM
I always offer one type of hoopers at the trials I host (Play~Bow in NY) - In the fall we do strategic  hoopers (as I LOVE IT and it's MY trial so I am having it! LOL!) , in the spring we do numbered hoopers -
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Debbie Lean on October 20, 2013, 06:14:49 PM
Woo-hoo!  I like any kind of hopers, but we would love to see more ex. Hopers!

By far I prefer XHoopers of all the Hoopers
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: LeeAnne McAdam on October 20, 2013, 06:58:41 PM
Or even "Hopers"!  Freudian slip maybe! ;D
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Cathy on October 21, 2013, 06:45:14 AM
So sorry to hear that strategic hoopers is on the decline.  I enjoy it a lot.

Cathy
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Lin Battaglia on October 21, 2013, 10:28:47 AM
mdt-AA in Reno offers bother types of Hoopers. We enjoy the thinking challenge of Strategic Hoopers and the ground speed thrill experienced in numbered Hoopers. Come join us ! We offer all classes except for EGC, not enough interest and no way to haul more equipment in trailer.

LinB
mdt-AA LLC 
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: gm5bkc on October 21, 2013, 10:45:38 AM
We had a Strategic Hoopers run at the Mountain Dog Sports trial this weekend, and it is fun!  That was the 2nd time we have had that in about 15 months in the Denver area (that I know of).  I like it much better than numbered hoopers, numbered is too much like another jumpers run.

Please encourage trial organizers to have more Hoopers courses, we finally got our HP-N title and would like to keep working at Hoopers!  NADAC is fun partly because of the varied courses (and also the great people at the trials) !

Glenn, Merri, Hildie and Katie - EAC,
OJC, WV-O, TG-O, TN-O, HP-N,
NADAC Novice Versatility Award,
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: DeafSheltieMom on October 21, 2013, 10:53:22 AM
To play the devil's advocate...   I love ALL Hoopers, particularly Strategic Hoopers, and would hate to see it go.  It is the only game in NADAC where the handler is allowed to choose the course best suited to his/her dog and handling style (yes, folks, it makes YOU think!).   I also adore Ex.Hoopers, and would love to see more of it.  We are VERY fortunate that we have had all Hoopers classes held here in Southern California trials, and hope we continue to see that trend.

However, to replace the Hoopers classes with Ex. Hoopers is a very big burden on clubs.  There were complaints with cost and storage problems when Hoopers was added, then when hoops were added to most classes.  And now you are going to include 12-18 gates on top of it all???  Hoops are relatively easy to store, but the gates are much harder.  And especially that many of them.  To replace the Hoopers class with Ex. Hoopers will probably eliminate Hoopers altogether from most parts of the country.  I know a local club here does not have Hoopers because they do not have enough hoops to hold the class.  Getting gates would be impossible.  It is not so much they don't want to provide the class, but the equipment requirements make the choice impossible. 

If you WANT Hoopers in your area, then TELL the club!  I know I've heard people tell me they wish they had such and such a game or more of such and such...  Sometimes the club just doesn't realize YOU want it!  YOU are the customer...  you pay to play.  Tell them what you'd like to play in :-)   If you have the ability, offer to help make hoops.  Introduce them to trials near the practice jumps.  We've done that with a gate, a barrel, and a hoop near the practice jump, just because we realize many instructors don't provide those pieces of equipment to practice on.  The familiarity helps the handlers relieve their anxiety, and when they finally run the course and figure out how much fun it is, they are hooked :-)  We've seen that with the extreme games, and will continue to do so.  We noticed the newbie handlers are MUCH more open to the 'new' stuff than the seasoned handlers...  and they are the future of the sport and NADAC... we're hoping this keeps their interest, and desire, to enter more of our trials.

Just my 2 cents...
-dayle
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Sharon Nelson on October 21, 2013, 12:10:54 PM
Clubs can offer which ever type of Hoopers that their exhibitors want them to offer.  Clubs have three choices, so they have lots of options for what "works" for them and their competitors.

No one needs to have negative responses just because they prefer their own "style".  Please politely ask clubs to consider offering the type of Hoopers that you prefer!  Then it is a win-win solution!

Sharon
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: MoabDiane on October 21, 2013, 02:13:40 PM
Sharon said, "The All Arounds will change to also allow Extreme Hoopers too."

So, I am interpreting this to mean that a competitor *could* count their Extreme Hoopers Qs towards an All Around Award.  Is this correct?

If that is correct, then clubs could continue offering Numbered or Strategic, and those that can, could offer Extreme Hoopers.

Yes?  (hoping to relieve some anxiety here, and VERY sorry I missed MDS's Strategic Hoopers last weekend!!)

diane
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Sara Langston on October 22, 2013, 07:04:02 AM
Agree with what all the folks have said about Strategic Hoopers being a fun game to play.  I LOVE it and sure hope it stays around a while.  I run both Strategic and Numbered Hoopers when I go to trials.  I just run what they are offering, however, I would love to see more Strategic Hoopers offered.

Also, agree about Ex Hoopers causing a burden on a club to provide, store, and haul the extra equipment.  We are pushing the limits of our trailer now and would have to get another option for transporting gates to our show site if Ex Hoopers is the only thing we can offer. 

Laughing Dog will continue to offer Strategic Hoopers at every trial as long as it is an option. 

Sara Langston, Laughing Dog Agility
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: LeeAnne McAdam on October 22, 2013, 10:32:18 AM
As I said earlier, I am a fan of any and all kinds of hoopers classes...but I do especially like Extreme Hoopers.  I do appreciate that not every club wants to or can provide all the equipment, including the club I belong to, so I made my own...slowly, over time so it wouldn't be burdensome.  I am doing my best to persuade my club to try to offer it and at least now there isn't the excuse/reason that they don't have the equipment!  It may end up not being something that works for our club, but I think sometimes when we want things, we have to contribute any way we can.
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Billie Rosen on October 22, 2013, 12:06:28 PM
Diane,

Jumping Chollas in Phoenix offers Hoopers at most of our trials (but not the Thanksgiving trial), and I alternate between Strategic and Numbered.  For example, since the October trial offered Numbered Hoopers the December trial will offer Strategic.  Given that we can now also offer Extreme, our club might consider that as another possibility for future trials.

Billie Rosen
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on October 22, 2013, 11:06:37 PM
If Extreme Hoopers would count as points for an All Around Award, would gaters and extreme Chances fit in somehow in the future?
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Sharon Nelson on October 22, 2013, 11:31:25 PM
If Extreme Hoopers would count as points for an All Around Award, would gaters and extreme Chances fit in somehow in the future?

All Extreme classes are part of the Extreme NATCH and Extreme Versatility NATCH.  You can also earn Extreme Speed Stars and Extreme Versatility Speed Stars.

Sharon
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Rebecca Kriz on October 23, 2013, 08:35:15 AM
Just curious, as I've never seen it posted anywhere, but how many points are necessary for the Extreme NATCH/Versatility NATCH/Speed Star/Versatility Speed Star?
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Maureen deHaan on October 23, 2013, 09:25:52 AM
Hi Sharon,

I have not heard of the Extreme NATCH etc -- are the requirements posted somewhere??? sounds so cool - something else to work for!!
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: mephalon on October 24, 2013, 11:26:03 AM
I LOVE HOOPERS- and we always mix it up and offer Numbered and Strategic.  While I personally prefer strategic most of our trials offer hoopers on both days so we offer one of each.   If you want to play Hoopers come to SCOR's northern NJ trials! 

SCOR will continue to offer Hoopers at all our trials and we have gotten people hooked on it by incentive package entry pricing.   Our pricing allows the 6th class to be free so many people enter since it doesn't cost extra.   

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not replace either strategic or numbered with Extreme Hoopers.  While I like Extreme Hoopers and enterit when offered it is very different than either Numbered or Strategic.  Additionally it would make it impossible for SCOR to offer Hoopers because of what equipment is required in excess to hoops- namely the numbere of required gates and I (and my dog) would hate to see strategic/numbered go away.   

Mary

Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on October 29, 2013, 08:10:25 PM
Hi Sharon,

I have not heard of the Extreme NATCH etc -- are the requirements posted somewhere??? sounds so cool - something else to work for!!

I thought I posted on this, but maybe I did not hit send...where can we find the requirements for the extreme Natches and Speed Stars?  Anyone I've asked who competes in Nadac has no idea either.
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: CD Jacobs on November 05, 2013, 09:53:12 AM
I think Strategic Hoopers is my all time favorite agility course and definitely my favorite of the NADAC courses. I love being able to design a course that is not only fun, but that takes advantage of my dog's abilities and talents. Having to change the sequence when things don't go as planned is part of the fun - all part of the agility puzzle. I am so thankful to Sara and Laughing Dog Agility (Autaugaville, Alabama) for including Strategic Hoopers at all of their trials - one of the many reasons her trials are so much fun :D

Numbered Hoopers is ok, but with an older, slower dog, there isn't much interesting handling required and even with a perfectly clean run we can't come close to making time, so that is frustrating to me.

Carol Jacobs
Huntsville, AL
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Sharon Nelson on November 05, 2013, 10:17:32 AM
I think Strategic Hoopers is my all time favorite agility course and definitely my favorite of the NADAC courses. I love being able to design a course that is not only fun, but that takes advantage of my dog's abilities and talents. Having to change the sequence when things don't go as planned is part of the fun - all part of the agility puzzle. I am so thankful to Sara and Laughing Dog Agility (Autaugaville, Alabama) for including Strategic Hoopers at all of their trials - one of the many reasons her trials are so much fun :D

Numbered Hoopers is ok, but with an older, slower dog, there isn't much interesting handling required and even with a perfectly clean run we can't come close to making time, so that is frustrating to me.

Carol Jacobs
Huntsville, AL

Be sure to let your local clubs know that!  And then they will continue to offer it.  Sometimes the clubs don't know for sure what their exhibitors want.

Sharon
Title: Re: Strategic Hoopers
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on November 05, 2013, 06:07:57 PM
Or have a club meeting. Clubs should have a lot of meetings. Good way to find out what members are thinking.  You may get more support at a club meeting then you thought you had. It's a lot easier to ignore the one hand clapping, when a bunch of them gets clapping is harder to ignore.