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General => Trials => Topic started by: marycallaway on December 24, 2013, 06:01:06 PM

Title: Hoopers
Post by: marycallaway on December 24, 2013, 06:01:06 PM
Having trouble finding trials that have Hoopers.  I would like to title in that class but not many clubs in my area have Hoopers.  Any suggestions?

Thanks
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: Sharon Nelson on December 24, 2013, 06:32:03 PM
Having trouble finding trials that have Hoopers.  I would like to title in that class but not many clubs in my area have Hoopers.  Any suggestions?

Thanks

Get together with others and VT!!!

Sharon
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: marycallaway on December 24, 2013, 07:24:59 PM
Kind of new here........what is VT?

Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: danforth on December 25, 2013, 06:10:35 AM
Can we title in Hoopers doing Extreme Hoopers only?

Isabel
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on December 25, 2013, 07:12:44 AM
Kind of new here........what is VT?
You may set courses listed in the Media section, video tape your run and submit it to NADAC for a possible qualifying score.  The cost is $5 per run submitted.  It must be the first run on the course.  Courses are changed every 2 weeks or so, so you can try several over a 6 month period.  I believe you may earn 50% of your title points with video runs, but double check that.  Good luck!
Linda
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: Maureen deHaan on December 25, 2013, 11:14:57 AM
Don't know where you are located but I always offer Hoopers at my trials in NY (Play~Bow) and SCOR in NJ/NY always offers Hoopers also.
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: marycallaway on December 25, 2013, 04:34:41 PM
Thank you for your responses.  I am looking for a club that offers Hoopers at their trial that is within 100 miles of Dover, DE.  If the trial clubs won't offer Hoopers at least on one day of the weekend I'm curious as to their reasons why.

Again, thanks!
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: Maureen deHaan on December 26, 2013, 04:32:44 AM
I can tell you that as a trial host - Hoopers classes do the the worst entry wise so that might be why - people who do not do NADAC regularly do not enter it (I have found) - I offer it b/c I like to play it and I am the trial host :)

PS: Dover DE is only 165 miles from Madison, NJ where SCOR hosts their trials and often offers Hoopers both days  - a mere 3 hours by car - not that far to go for an agility trial weekend (IMO) :)
Title: Hoopers
Post by: Debi Hutchinson on December 26, 2013, 05:43:33 AM
The PAWZAZZ trials generally offer hoopers at least one day of each trial!
Terry for Team PAWZAZZ
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: KarissaKS on December 26, 2013, 06:25:58 AM
If the trial clubs won't offer Hoopers at least on one day of the weekend I'm curious as to their reasons why.

In my area of the country (upper midwest) Hoopers is often not offered because it receives such low entries -- thus driving down total entries for the trial as compared to offering, say, Tunnelers. Our NADAC trials are small as it is and don't need to be any smaller.

We used to see trials that would offer 7 runs per day and you could enter 6 of your choosing. This was a nice way to offer Hoopers for those who wanted it, but eventually that fell out of fashion (who knows, maybe that practice is no longer allowed for some reason).

When Hoopers is offered around here now it is often the numbered variety and it is so stated in the premium. When that is done, the entries for Hoopers are significantly higher than when the premium states that strategic Hoopers will be run -- or if no statement is made as to the version being offered. People seem scared of the strategic version for whatever reason and you'll see about 10 entries for all of the levels combined (versus maybe 25-30 for numbered).

My preference is for the strategic version, but I do not miss the briefings that would go on forever and a day thanks to needing to explain the game and tests over and over and over and over and over to people who were either new or just cannot grasp the idea of the game.

Personally, I rarely enter Hoopers because it doesn't offer anythings towards the way of titling goals for me. I have not chosen to go for the All Around path, so Hoopers has no value to me other than Lifetime points. I feel that is largely why the class has suffered, because it is not part of the more popular titling paths. This is unfortunate for those who do choose to go for the All Around awards and struggle to find opportunity to run in this class.
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: marycallaway on December 26, 2013, 10:21:24 AM
Thanks everyone for the input.  You've given me some options.
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: bill fehn on December 26, 2013, 12:15:11 PM
Does Hooper have value?

The only thing of value I have ever taken home from an agility trial is the knowledge I gained from the experience. If I can learn better handling by running a hoopers course then it has value. Whether the points lead to something or not, isn't the object to improve?

Bill Fehn

Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: LeeAnne McAdam on December 26, 2013, 02:58:05 PM
Using your definition, Bill, I think Hoopers has tons of value.  I believe it will help show where your handling is good/bad and what your dog does/doesn't understand about your handling.  JMO.
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: Maureen deHaan on December 26, 2013, 03:35:19 PM
I think Hoopers has HUGE value - it tells you a LOT about your handling - or lack thereof
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: marycallaway on December 26, 2013, 03:42:39 PM
I wholeheartedly agree, BF.  Any ring time is good time.  Never a waste.
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: Jean Wilkins on December 26, 2013, 04:13:24 PM
Breakaway Action Dogs (BAD) in Frederick, Maryland offer Hoopers at their April & August trials.

Artful Dodgers in Maryland offers Hoopers at their June trial in Frederick, MD and November trial in Millersville, MD.

Come plays with us. :)

We go up to Dover so it is driveable for you.

Jean
Member of BAD, Artful, & Pawzazz......these clubs all like hoopers!!
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: marycallaway on December 26, 2013, 05:36:04 PM
Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: KarissaKS on December 27, 2013, 06:43:23 AM
Any ring time is good time.  Never a waste.

I'd be in the ring for every run offered with each of my dogs if it was feasible. However, when you run four dogs sometimes you have to be a bit choosier about you enter. That's when goals come into play. And since the All Around is not one of my goals, I tend to spend my money on classes that will help me achieve the goals I do have set for myself and my dogs.

My new dog got entered in Hoopers at her first trial this month because I figured it would be a low-pressure easy class for her to get some ring experience. It's nice for that sort of thing (doesn't require the brain power of weaving or contacts, for example).

Personally, I have many other ways of testing my handling and challenging myself more than Hoopers does. I enjoy Hoopers, but just don't have the money to throw at it anymore. It's not like we don't see plenty of hoops in the other classes anyhow...
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: Shirley Wallace on December 27, 2013, 02:55:24 PM
There's another bonus to hoopers besides testing your handling skills (or lack thereof  :P ) - I have found hoops to be a great help in rehabbing dogs that are recovering from injuries.  No jumps, no contacts, no weaves, but the dog is able to get out and play and be active.  A hoopers class may be a problem with quick turns, etc., but it's a good form of exercise.
Shirley in MN, who has used a hoops a fair amount for rehab purposes
Title: Re: Hoopers
Post by: Maureen deHaan on December 29, 2013, 02:06:15 PM
Speaking of Hoopers and its "worth":

The shelter where I rent ring space in the winter is small with a crappy floor so my classes are focused on hoopers and EGC style stuff with tunnels - we don't jump or really work other equipment in the winter months that often - all we work on in the winter is handling handling handling - and hoops, barrels and gates tell you wonders - just today we were working serpentines with just hoops and how to effectively draw the path using a tight and or a switch - using crosses or not staying close or using distance depended on the team- those that can draw the path had no problem with a serpentine in any way - even a double switch serp - those that have poor path drawing skills could not get through a 3 hoop serp - and they probably could with jumps - even the two 7 month old puppies did great on the hoop serp b/c the handlers know how to draw the path - much to the chagrin of the advanced handlers who don't effectively do so :)  just saying' there is a LOT of worth in hoops (and barrels and gates) whether or not you enter it in a trial - a useful training tool -

We at Play~Bow love and embrace the hoop and EGC!!