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Title: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 11, 2014, 03:10:19 PM
I would like to see some (nice!) input on the idea that many have brought up through the years for an Into level at trials.  Intro would not have any contact/tunnel discriminations and no weaves.  The courses would be 1/2 to 2/3 the length of normal Novice classes and jump heights could be chosen by the handler without regard to the dog's height, with a maximum of 16".  Intro would not be required to be offered by clubs, but as an option for their competitors if they felt there was enough interest.

Any thoughts?  Not reactions, but thoughts!  Both pro and con.

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 11, 2014, 03:12:15 PM
Many have already mentioned that they felt a BA-3 should be earned first....... then the dogs go from the BA program right into Intro and then into full agility classes.

I have always said no, but it is coming up more and more, so I am wondering how much more interest there is.

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Billie Rosen on February 11, 2014, 03:33:47 PM
We used to offer Agility Y, an Intro to agility non-titling event, and I always thought it was good for dogs and/or handlers new to agility.  I really like the Beginner Agility program and think an Intro to Agility program would be a good transition into the ring.
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: LeeAnne McAdam on February 11, 2014, 03:40:51 PM
So would there be an Intro group in Regular, Jumpers, Hoopers, Tunnelers and Chances or what classes?   We, well, me anyway, are doing our best around here to put the Beginner Agility idea into action because we think it's a great way to make sure folks have the skills they need to be ready to trial.  We have a large contingent of Novice people in our area...always a much bigger part of our trials than Open and Elite so we might well have a lot of people who would love this.  Would they just stay in Intro until they felt ready to move to Novice or how would that work?

Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Jeannie Biggers on February 11, 2014, 03:41:29 PM
I like the idea that a BA3 is required but suspecting it isn't being offered enough around the country to be feasible.

My thoughts would be that to make it worthwhile for folks that are just being introduced to agility (so not those that are already running a dog the entire weekend) that you would have to offer probably 3 classes a day which would probably be enough to stimulate both newbie dog and handler but not so much that they fry.  And it would be enough that it would be worth maybe traveling a bit out of their hometown for a day?

In all honesty it is hard for people to go from club classes to trialing (maybe that isn't true in other parts of the country).  That is one reason I have liked the BA stuff.  At least it gives them a chance to "feel" what a trial might be like. 

If people could come to their first trial and not have to worry about contacts or weaves and just have a trial environment to play with their dog we could maybe get more people "hooked" and not overwhelm them. 

I like the idea!
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: MoabDiane on February 11, 2014, 03:54:17 PM
I guess I may be the wet blanket here, but I don't really see the point.
I think the idea of BA is great (and hope Teasel will up for it soon!).
But I think way way way too many people enter dogs in trials before they are ready.
Would this just encourage them to do so? 

Or would it show them that dogs aren't ready?  I don't see them figuring that out in Novice!  (they just keep coming back with the same "issues")

For those of us without access to "fun runs" or the like, maybe it would provide the trial environment without the pressure of trying to qualify.
(or would there be titles?)  If it costs the same for this as a novice run, I think more folks would just enter novice.

Assuming these courses would be built off novice courses, then course building wouldn't be a big deal.  Workers could probably do both.
So it shouldn't add more time to a trial day.

Then again, I'm hoping that my dogs are ready for a bit more than Novice when I enter them there. 

Just my two cents' worth....interested to hear from someone who thinks it's a great idea and why!

diane
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Lynne Almeida on February 11, 2014, 07:35:49 PM
I can see both sides of this ... as our club's beginner class teacher, I know an Intro level assortment of classes that sort of bridge BA and Novice level would be very welcomed by handlers just starting out - especially those altogether new to the sport.  It could really help to encourage people to have more success early on, and keep them interested in participating in NADAC over the long haul, which benefits all of us.

On the other hand, I totally agree with Diane that many people rush to enter their dogs before they are ready.  I also know that for our small club, we are already stretched to capacity as far as what we can handle offering at any one trial.

I am wondering if there is a clever way to combine elements of the BA program and the VT program with 'official' NADAC-designed Intro level courses.  To explain further: our classes have a 'mock BA-1' day as the 'graduation' from the beginner class ... many of the students are actually quite nervous over just this, but it is often enough to entice them to want to continue!  We have then offered a 'for real' BA-1 day, for those who want to register their dogs and make a bit more of a commitment to eventually trialing, and continuing students can do BA-2 and -3 as they're ready.  I'm thinking, why not also offer a couple/few Intro level courses for those continuing students and have them submitted and judged 'VT style'?  We could then put together a sort of NADAC Intro Trial that is a one-day event, yet gives much more the feel of a regular trial than just offering BA.  They could work towards titles, but the pricing structure could be lower than that of a 'regular' trial.  I could see us being able to offer such a day perhaps 2-3 times per year.

I think it would be hard, and not always necessary, to require BA or Intro titles to be earned before entering a regular trial.  But as an instructor, I would be fine with telling beginner students that I don't support their entering a regular trial until they have x amount of practice, etc.  Obviously this would be up to the discretion of individual clubs and/or instructors.  I do think, though, that the idea of an Intro level could have the potential to both retain potential beginner NADAC'ers and better prepare them for a full-on trialing environment.

Just my first thoughts after mulling over the possibilities for a few minutes!

Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 11, 2014, 10:34:26 PM
I guess I may be the wet blanket here, but I don't really see the point.
I think the idea of BA is great (and hope Teasel will up for it soon!).
But I think way way way too many people enter dogs in trials before they are ready.
Would this just encourage them to do so? 

Or would it show them that dogs aren't ready?  I don't see them figuring that out in Novice!  (they just keep coming back with the same "issues")

For those of us without access to "fun runs" or the like, maybe it would provide the trial environment without the pressure of trying to qualify.
(or would there be titles?)  If it costs the same for this as a novice run, I think more folks would just enter novice.

Assuming these courses would be built off novice courses, then course building wouldn't be a big deal.  Workers could probably do both.
So it shouldn't add more time to a trial day.

Then again, I'm hoping that my dogs are ready for a bit more than Novice when I enter them there. 

Just my two cents' worth....interested to hear from someone who thinks it's a great idea and why!

diane

I do think that many people enter dogs before they are ready.  But we already see it.  By offering Intro, I don't think "more" will enter early, but it would give some of the "not quite ready for prime time" a much safer, shorter place to start.  Since the courses would be shorter, the dog would have a much greater chance of success in the ring.

I believe that people will enter regardless.  By not offering Intro, it won't stop anyone from entering early, but it might give them a much better opportunity to "start" in a happier place!

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 11, 2014, 11:12:59 PM
I can see both sides of this ... as our club's beginner class teacher, I know an Intro level assortment of classes that sort of bridge BA and Novice level would be very welcomed by handlers just starting out - especially those altogether new to the sport.  It could really help to encourage people to have more success early on, and keep them interested in participating in NADAC over the long haul, which benefits all of us.

On the other hand, I totally agree with Diane that many people rush to enter their dogs before they are ready.  I also know that for our small club, we are already stretched to capacity as far as what we can handle offering at any one trial.

I am wondering if there is a clever way to combine elements of the BA program and the VT program with 'official' NADAC-designed Intro level courses.  To explain further: our classes have a 'mock BA-1' day as the 'graduation' from the beginner class ... many of the students are actually quite nervous over just this, but it is often enough to entice them to want to continue!  We have then offered a 'for real' BA-1 day, for those who want to register their dogs and make a bit more of a commitment to eventually trialing, and continuing students can do BA-2 and -3 as they're ready.  I'm thinking, why not also offer a couple/few Intro level courses for those continuing students and have them submitted and judged 'VT style'?  We could then put together a sort of NADAC Intro Trial that is a one-day event, yet gives much more the feel of a regular trial than just offering BA.  They could work towards titles, but the pricing structure could be lower than that of a 'regular' trial.  I could see us being able to offer such a day perhaps 2-3 times per year.

I think it would be hard, and not always necessary, to require BA or Intro titles to be earned before entering a regular trial.  But as an instructor, I would be fine with telling beginner students that I don't support their entering a regular trial until they have x amount of practice, etc.  Obviously this would be up to the discretion of individual clubs and/or instructors.  I do think, though, that the idea of an Intro level could have the potential to both retain potential beginner NADAC'ers and better prepare them for a full-on trialing environment.

Just my first thoughts after mulling over the possibilities for a few minutes!

Good input also!  Intro could definitely be part of the VT program, just as all other non-EGC classes are.  That would really help the new handlers get a feel for a trial experience without all the pressure!

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Alanna Leach on February 12, 2014, 09:05:01 AM
I really like the idea of having a Intro class that clubs could offer at their discretion.  Avalon would offer it.  Often teams come out of agility classes somewhat ready to trial, but mentally scared to.  I would love to offer a class they could be successful at.  Also, it would be a win/win for me as a club.  I would have new people interested in trials and a larger group of people to draw volunteers from. 

Alanna Leach
Avalon Agility
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Lin Battaglia on February 12, 2014, 09:46:25 AM
I too really don't see the point of offering dogs that aren't ready to enter into trials an Intro class after BA 1-2-3. If they are successful in BAs then in theory they are are supposed to be ready to trial. We're small here in our area and we don't offer BA tests. What we have found helpful to our new
handlers/dogs are our VT run days. We run VT days just like a trial so both dog and handler get the feel for a trial. We usually have about 20-30 dogs and offer 4-5 classes on one day. We make it a party with pot luck lunch and everyone helps move equipment etc. We don't have enough new dogs for actual Fun Match support.
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso on February 12, 2014, 10:58:52 AM
I like the idea of an intro class too.  I think there are a lot of people out there that as beginners really want to see what a trial is like and feel they are ready for it.  Then once they get there, they find the courses a bit more difficult than they suspected (like the dreaded discrimination!) OR they are so nervous they forget the course OR their dog succumbs to the pressure.  They can likely get discouraged after a few attempts and never return.  Like Sharon said, it gives them a way to "compete" but with a shorter and safer run to get their feet wet and be successful.

Another thing to consider is that by offering these events in a real trial environment, it keeps new people interested.  I have seen people who have to wait 2 years or more to get their dog to a competition level lose interest in agility and drop out.  Or after several novice level trials get discouraged and don't return.  And while the BA test in nice, I don't necessarily think it is the same thing as sitting at a trial with all of your buddies from the club and having a good time. 

While I like the BA test as a rule, I personally don't like the idea of BA3 being REQUIRED for a dog to compete in Novice first.

First, unless there is a BA trial around, you can't do it.  I know that I wouldn't drive 2-3 hours just for a BA test.   And yes, you can do it as a VT, but many people train either in the own backyard, or at clubs that wouldn't have regulation equipment with which to do it. 

Second, while many of the exercises are good exercises that you find in a normal trial, the "honor" area REALLY bothers me.  There are MANY dogs that would fail this and the leadout requirements yet compete quite well at the elite level.  As far as the "honor" area, I don't feel that it is fair or even right to put a dog in a situation that could cause potential extreme stress.  In looking at the example of the BA-3 in the NADAC beginner handbook, the "honor" area is situated such that a dog is coming straight at the dog in the ex-pen.   First, you would get a handler that would likely over correct a dog just to make sure it passes.  Second, imagine a high drive BC coming straight at a dog that is fearful and that fearful dog is in a crate?  The results could be disastrous on the psyche of the fearful dog.  Third, you could make a fearful dog out of a timid or borderline fearful dog.  What would the result be if a timid dog was sitting in that expen and the dog running the course veers off course and begins lunging and barking at that dog, or the flip side, a somewhat timid dog is running the course and the dog in the expen begins barking/lunging at them?  By time the handler on either side of this situation gets to their dogs, the damage is done.  In a true trial environment, a dog is never stuck in an expen on course while another dog is running the course.  And while they are in crates, I would like to think that fearful dogs are crated well away from the ring and covered.    And a lead out, while nice, is not a necessity to compete in agility.  By requiring this level, you would eliminate a lot of people from being able to compete in NADAC. 

Don't get me wrong.  I LOVE the BA test.  If it had been around when I first started agility, I probably would have done it with my dogs.  But I trained with a NADAC club.  Would I do it with any new dog I might get?  It would probably depend on the dog.  I love the fact that it gets "newbies" into a trial for them and the ability to compete early on.  It gives them a success of accomplishment and success.  For a veteran handler, I don't feel the same way.  And I definitely would not do it if I had a dog that had some fear issues. 
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: A Jussero on February 12, 2014, 11:18:01 AM
Because of our location, getting a judge here involves horrible logistics and great expense (no direct flights from anywhere in addition to the oil boom from h----).  Our little group could not afford to provide this and we can only do VT runs during the summer due to no indoor space.  There are very few here who actually trial as the closest ones are 300-600 miles away.  I have been fairly successful with offering the BA runs (thanks to Sharon), would love the Intro offering but have to be realistic that it would not work out here.
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on February 12, 2014, 03:28:26 PM
ITZ would offer it.....and would u please decide soon as I have 2 pups that will be trailing soon😄😄

I always enter my dogs before they are "ready".   I don't attend classes or run through.... I train by myself so my dogs do not get any trial like experience".  I do not have expectations of getting Qs either....as I know they are not ready.      I would be nice to run a regular style course without weave poles......as I am a slacker weave trainer.   Tandem was in elite jumpers before he knew how to weave. 

I would hope that this would get some people to attend the trials..even if they saw it as practice.....and hopefully they would have a great positive experience and come back!!!






Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Rebecca Kriz on February 12, 2014, 04:43:12 PM
Second, while many of the exercises are good exercises that you find in a normal trial, the "honor" area REALLY bothers me.  There are MANY dogs that would fail this and the leadout requirements yet compete quite well at the elite level.  As far as the "honor" area, I don't feel that it is fair or even right to put a dog in a situation that could cause potential extreme stress.  In looking at the example of the BA-3 in the NADAC beginner handbook, the "honor" area is situated such that a dog is coming straight at the dog in the ex-pen.   First, you would get a handler that would likely over correct a dog just to make sure it passes.  Second, imagine a high drive BC coming straight at a dog that is fearful and that fearful dog is in a crate?  The results could be disastrous on the psyche of the fearful dog.  Third, you could make a fearful dog out of a timid or borderline fearful dog.  What would the result be if a timid dog was sitting in that expen and the dog running the course veers off course and begins lunging and barking at that dog, or the flip side, a somewhat timid dog is running the course and the dog in the expen begins barking/lunging at them?  By time the handler on either side of this situation gets to their dogs, the damage is done.  In a true trial environment, a dog is never stuck in an expen on course while another dog is running the course.  And while they are in crates, I would like to think that fearful dogs are crated well away from the ring and covered.    And a lead out, while nice, is not a necessity to compete in agility.  By requiring this level, you would eliminate a lot of people from being able to compete in NADAC.

I don't think I've ever seen a fearful or reactive dog used as the 'honor' dog in a BA test.  I would hope people know their dogs well enough to not volunteer them for that job if it's going to stress their dog out or be a safety concern.

Ok, so I hadn't read the rules for BA-3 and you can ignore this.  I thought they were like the distraction dogs in BA-1 and BA-2.  (Which I had volunteered to do before.)
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: sportk9s on February 13, 2014, 05:48:58 AM
I would like to suggest that if the Intro class were added, that clubs be given the option of having a qualified person judge it rather than an 'official' judge. This way it could be set up in a separate ring, (if there were space/equipment available) and so would not add to the length of a trial. Right now, with EGC available to be run in a 'regular' trial, some clubs are already at 8 classes a day.

I also like the option of running Intro as a VT.

Would the Intro class be similar to how Pre-Novice was? Why did Pre-Novice go away?
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 13, 2014, 09:58:34 AM
I would like to suggest that if the Intro class were added, that clubs be given the option of having a qualified person judge it rather than an 'official' judge. This way it could be set up in a separate ring, (if there were space/equipment available) and so would not add to the length of a trial. Right now, with EGC available to be run in a 'regular' trial, some clubs are already at 8 classes a day.

I also like the option of running Intro as a VT.

Would the Intro class be similar to how Pre-Novice was? Why did Pre-Novice go away?

We want to be sure to stress that "Intro" is not a "class"........... it would be a level.  Levels in NADAC right now are Novice, Open, and Elite.  If Intro were added, then the levels would be Intro, Novice, Open, Elite.  There would be no separate class.

For instance if Novice Regular had 14 obstacles, at the end of Novice Regular, Intro would be set off that same course which would be 7-10 obstacles with no weave poles and no tunnel/contact discriminations.  So Intro would run right before or right after Novice in each class.  The only class with weave poles would be Intro Weavers with one set of six poles.  Intro would run right after Novice and would be 5-6 obstacles.

So Intro is not an additional class, it is an additional level of a class.

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 13, 2014, 09:59:49 AM

Would the Intro class be similar to how Pre-Novice was? Why did Pre-Novice go away?

Pre-Novice went away because it was always run as a separate "class" which took too much time.

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on February 13, 2014, 10:12:01 AM
Would clubs be able to offer intro level class in whatever class they want?    I would want to offer it for Regular only.    I don't mind adding a little bit more course building for 1 class ( 2 rounds of Regular) but don't want to do it for every class.

Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 13, 2014, 10:20:38 AM
Would clubs be able to offer intro level class in whatever class they want?    I would want to offer it for Regular only.    I don't mind adding a little bit more course building for 1 class ( 2 rounds of Regular) but don't want to do it for every class.

Yes, club's choice.   Once you try, your exhibitors might convince you to have more!!  Jumpers would be another great option to start with!

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: sportk9s on February 13, 2014, 12:19:16 PM

We want to be sure to stress that "Intro" is not a "class"........... it would be a level.  Levels in NADAC right now are Novice, Open, and Elite.  If Intro were added, then the levels would be Intro, Novice, Open, Elite.  There would be no separate class.

Sharon

Makes more sense now. So would you have an "Intro" in the special skills classes, since they're special skills? I can see how you could change Weavers to 1 set of weaves, and Hoopers to less hoops, but would you change Tunnelers and TNG? EGC?

Would a dog be required to title in Intro before moving up to Novice, or would that be an option?

Sounds more interesting as an added level than as an added class  :)

Anne
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Vicki Storrs on February 13, 2014, 12:39:31 PM
A friend of mine just ran 3 classes in her first very trial, so I talked to her last night about the Intro option.  She said she would have JUMPED at the chance to run something shorter and a bit easier!  Not that she didn't think her dog was ready--the dog did its part great--but that the nerves got her big time and she got lost and lost Her focus on course.  She felt it would be a great way to introduce newbies to trialing, and helping them learn how to walk and remember a course.
Vicki
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Laurel Manning on February 13, 2014, 12:44:42 PM
I like the idea of Intro courses as useful and needed.  I hope BA is not going to be required before entering Intro or Novice.  It would not possible for many competitors to accomplish a BA requirement, and it would be a huge turn off, even for agility junkies like me, who have new dogs.  Laurel Manning
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: agilityjunkie on February 13, 2014, 02:07:16 PM
Agility Junkies would do it. It sounds like a nice bridge from the BA test, which is incredibly successful at our club. After one full year of BA testing, including both of my dogs earning the BA titles, I have found that the majority of our beginners complete BA-1 and BA-2 but I have had very little interest in BA-3. We hold a lot of NADAC trials at our facility and off campus. The majority of our students skip the BA-3 and attempt the "Big Leagues" through low stress classes like Tunnelers and Jumpers. An Intro to Agility would be the perfect solution. Question: would the competition age of the dog requirement be reduced for Intro?
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: LeeAnne McAdam on February 14, 2014, 07:02:10 AM
I think the Intro level would be popular in our area.  I know with one of my dogs, I sort of made my own "Intro" courses when I first started trialing him...looked for easy ways in and out...for the first several trials that we entered.  That said, I guess I would be hard pressed not to like the idea!
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Laurel Manning on February 14, 2014, 11:34:35 AM
Not everyone has access to BA.  Laurel Manning
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 14, 2014, 11:38:00 AM
BA would not be required for Intro.  That was mentioned to me, but I would not want to see BA as a requirement.

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 14, 2014, 11:38:40 AM
A friend of mine just ran 3 classes in her first very trial, so I talked to her last night about the Intro option.  She said she would have JUMPED at the chance to run something shorter and a bit easier!  Not that she didn't think her dog was ready--the dog did its part great--but that the nerves got her big time and she got lost and lost Her focus on course.  She felt it would be a great way to introduce newbies to trialing, and helping them learn how to walk and remember a course.
Vicki

Nice!  Encouraging input!

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 14, 2014, 11:39:39 AM
Agility Junkies would do it. It sounds like a nice bridge from the BA test, which is incredibly successful at our club. After one full year of BA testing, including both of my dogs earning the BA titles, I have found that the majority of our beginners complete BA-1 and BA-2 but I have had very little interest in BA-3. We hold a lot of NADAC trials at our facility and off campus. The majority of our students skip the BA-3 and attempt the "Big Leagues" through low stress classes like Tunnelers and Jumpers. An Intro to Agility would be the perfect solution. Question: would the competition age of the dog requirement be reduced for Intro?

No, the age limit would not be changed for Intro.

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: StefanElvstad on February 14, 2014, 06:41:35 PM
I think an intro level would be very helpful. It allows the beginner to work in a situation with less pressure and will be very helpful in easing the dog into trialling. The prospect of a Q encourages too many beginning handlers to ease their criteria for their dog's performance in order to qualify.

The same benefits could probably be achieved by in fun matches, but at least around here, those are few and far between, and I do believe that the incremental effort of offering an intro level is much less than setting up a fun match. So - we would be all for it here.
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Janice_Shavor on February 15, 2014, 07:35:15 AM
Our best indoor facility is a bit pricey.  So, to me the intro level is a wonderful idea.  It would be fairly easy to offer that level for just a few classes.  And in the end, you have to run your dog, in this area, in an indoor arena on dirt.  I will push for it locally.  It is HARD, folks, HARD for those of us learning human impulse control to scale down a course when we are going fairly well and then we push too hard and all goes totally downhill and our good friends tell us afterwards we really blew it.
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Ashley Huffman on February 15, 2014, 01:28:26 PM
BA would not be required for Intro.  That was mentioned to me, but I would not want to see BA as a requirement.

Sharon

I think that BA should not be a requirement as it is not offered everywhere.  Definitely, I think that the Intro is a good idea for those just starting out with trials and especially for those who do not have access to BA.  Not sure Intro would be warranted for every class that NADAC offers, but it does lend itself to classes like Regular, Weavers, Touch N' Go, and Chances (the ones that new Novice dogs seem to really struggle with in the beginning.)

Just my two cents,
Ashley
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 15, 2014, 01:34:12 PM
Definitely, I think that the Intro is a good idea for those just starting out with trials and especially for those who do not have access to BA.  Not sure Intro would be warranted for every class that NADAC offers, but it does lend itself to classes like Regular, Weavers, Touch N' Go, and Chances (the ones that new Novice dogs seem to really struggle with in the beginning.)

Just my two cents,
Ashley

That is the nice part is that each club could pick and choose which classes would have intro for their area and which ones don't.  And each club could have their own choices!

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Kamrin on February 15, 2014, 01:56:56 PM
An intro level would be perfect for my new dog who still needs a lot of reinforcement.  A shorter course, but still within the trial environment, would bring us greater success and I think would go a long ways to building a long and successful agility career. 

Note: BA is very difficult to find.  We would go that route if it was more readily available.
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 16, 2014, 10:46:54 AM
I have thrown the question out to the software vendors.  Two have responded so far and it sounds like it will be doable!!  I will wait until I hear from all four and what the time frame is!

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: NancyK on February 16, 2014, 12:50:14 PM
I did the BA-1 testing with Brisco and he did receive his title.  While I thought this was a great experience it is totally a different experience than a trial because it was just me, Brisco and the two people judging in a room.  I am lucky enough to have a lot of fun matches in my area, not NADAC equipment, but we are still able to get our trial experience that way but for those that don't have that opportunity I think the Intro would be a good way for them to get that 'trial feel' with a shorter course minus the obstacles that are usually the ones that are the most difficult and needing more practice.  I will agree with Lisa that being offered only in the regular agility class would be enough.

Nancy
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 26, 2014, 09:01:12 PM
I have heard back for the software groups for FAST and AGT and both have responded that it is doable.  When I have a time frame for the addition of Intro I will let you know.

I haven't had a response from Agility Unscrambled or Trial Genie yet.

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on February 27, 2014, 08:53:20 AM
Agility Unscrambled already has a Pre-Novice level.  I have to remember to uncheck it  when I set up my trials :)
Would this work?
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 27, 2014, 11:11:05 AM
Agility Unscrambled already has a Pre-Novice level.  I have to remember to uncheck it  when I set up my trials :)
Would this work?

That is for Regular only, which works for you, but not for what NADAC is offering.  Also there are no Q's offered. 

So I am hoping that Debbie will respond with an answer one way or the other.  She is so good, I am sure that when she has time she will respond and can probably add Intro without a big hassle.

But, no, Pre-Novice is not the same as Intro, but close!

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on March 02, 2014, 06:47:52 PM
Paul and Jack from FAST will be announcing the addition of Intro to any users of their software soon! Jack did the programming and Paul has been beta testing the software and they are ready to announce the addition of Intro to their trial secretary's software.  They are a very powerful team!!

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on March 04, 2014, 10:07:38 AM
For clubs using FAST software, Intro is now an option.  For clubs using any other software, do not offer Intro as your software will not support the level. 

When other software vendors get their software done, I will let you know!

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: A Jussero on March 04, 2014, 10:25:03 AM
Is there a rule book or something to describe Intro?   Is it officially required that you have to complete Intro before you can enter Novice?
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on March 04, 2014, 10:28:16 AM
Is there a rule book or something to describe Intro?   Is it officially required that you have to complete Intro before you can enter Novice?

No, it has never been said that one MUST enter Intro.  Intro is an optional level with a shorter course than Novice.  I did list a description with only one contact and no weaves except in Intro Weavers, which would be on set of 6.  No weaves in Regular and only one contact.  All other rules apply.

Sharon

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on March 04, 2014, 11:26:52 AM
I can't begin to express my thanks and respect for those clubs who have already inquired about adding Intro to upcoming trials!  To look into the future and see how they can continue to provide more and more options for their competitors.

I know that more clubs use AU than FAST and hopefully they will respond with a time frame for the addition of Intro for the clubs using their software.

FAST is very progressive and "fast" to respond to the needs of their users, just like the clubs that use their software!

I know that there are many AU clubs that are wanting to offer Intro as soon as it is available also.

We thank you for the support of Intro and your vision for the future and promotion of this great sport to all involved!!

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Jeannie Biggers on March 04, 2014, 02:18:24 PM
GotDog? will add it as soon as software is available from AU!!  We have lots of up and coming baby dogs in the state and I am excited to give them a great option to introduce them to agility!!!
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Lynne Almeida on March 04, 2014, 03:08:36 PM
We would totally like to try this, at the least in a VT format, with our students this summer.  Will some of the VT course packages include intro. options in months to come? 

Excited to be able to offer this to the new folks!
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on March 04, 2014, 03:55:50 PM
We would totally like to try this, at the least in a VT format, with our students this summer.  Will some of the VT course packages include intro. options in months to come? 

Excited to be able to offer this to the new folks!

Yes, by April we will be adding Intro to the VT sets.

Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Sharon Nelson on March 04, 2014, 03:57:32 PM
GotDog? will add it as soon as software is available from AU!!  We have lots of up and coming baby dogs in the state and I am excited to give them a great option to introduce them to agility!!!

I have been contacted by Debbie of Agility Unscrambled and she is on it!!  She will begin development soon and will give me a time frame soon!  It sounds like it won't take a long time to be in place, so then the users of AU will be able to have Intro too!!


Sharon
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: LeeAnne McAdam on March 04, 2014, 05:02:56 PM
This is way cool...I think we have people around here who will love it.
Title: Re: General input on Intro to Agility
Post by: Jeannie Biggers on March 04, 2014, 07:44:06 PM
GotDog? will add it as soon as software is available from AU!!  We have lots of up and coming baby dogs in the state and I am excited to give them a great option to introduce them to agility!!!

I have been contacted by Debbie of Agility Unscrambled and she is on it!!  She will begin development soon and will give me a time frame soon!  It sounds like it won't take a long time to be in place, so then the users of AU will be able to have Intro too!!


Sharon

GREAT!  I still have time before I need to send in applications for July and August so I will wait a bit :)  Thanks Debbie and Sharon!