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Title: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on May 17, 2012, 12:42:55 PM
Here is a quick video of barrel  after dog walk/tunnel.     
barrels (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPKSeW6Q_yk#ws)

Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: TheQuestKnight on May 17, 2012, 01:54:17 PM
THANK YOU for posting this video with your dogs that at different overall skill levels . . . it really highlights just how easy it is to teach the barrel performance . . . and it also illustrates how superior the path that the dog chooses around the barrel for him/herself is FAR superior to the imposed path of a C/U-shaped tunnel!!!

Al & Pellinore "rolling out the barrels" in OH!!!   
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on May 17, 2012, 03:33:04 PM
Great video, Lisa.  Thanks for posting it.    Linda
Title: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: jennyrobinson on May 17, 2012, 05:30:30 PM
Thanks for sharing!  Great demo!
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Becky Wolfe on May 17, 2012, 07:08:15 PM
 Lisa,

thanks for showing the use of barrel in your mini course.  It was great to see how the dogs just dug around the barrel with enthusiasm and speed.  It looks like fun to work on with the pups.  I am looking forward to it.
 :-X
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Sharon Nelson on May 17, 2012, 09:35:06 PM
Good job, Lisa!  Well done.

Sharon
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on May 18, 2012, 03:28:18 AM
And as  side note,  my dogs have had limited exposure to 'barrels'.   Syn has seen barrels twice in competition and once in training.... but since she was 8 weeks old, I have sent her around 'stuff'.      Tandem has seen barrels three times  in competition (once including EGC), and again since he was 8 weeks old, he learned to go around things.  Dynamic has seen barrels once in EGC.    Since i got her when she was over 1 year old, she doesn't have the foundation that Syn and Tandem have had.       

You can clearly see that it is not difficult to teach them to go around something.   I threw my ball a few times for Dy and Tandem around the barrel then moved on the sequence.   

Good times good times !!!

PS it is weird to signing my post :)
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Amy McGovern on May 18, 2012, 11:09:14 AM
Thanks for posting!  How in the world is it that the other dog just stands there and watches?  I have to train one at a time.  The other one goes in the house or else I'm training double (they do the obstacles together).  While tandem agility is fun to watch, it isn't always safe (dog walk!).  :)

Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Goldenbcagilitychamps on May 18, 2012, 05:28:23 PM
Lisa,
Thanks for posting the video it helped to see it "in use" since my guys have not seen barrels (but once).  Question (this is not about the topic of obstacles vs paths - LOLOLOL) but what do you call the barrel or tell them when you are sending them out there?

In other words when the dog perhaps has options of obstacles out on a Regular course and I just say "out", often that could be many obstacles.

So when I start to teach it - what should I be telling them??

Thanks!
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Sharon Nelson on May 18, 2012, 08:20:24 PM
For a "command" I use "round"............ the first plan was "around" but the "a" never made it!!  So I use "go round" or "out round" or "switch round"............... seems to work!!

Sharon
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Linda on May 19, 2012, 04:40:41 AM
Hello,

Will there be courses that they have to come around the inside of the barrel rather than going around the outside?

Thanks!
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on May 19, 2012, 05:00:23 AM
I have been putting some thought into that question.   I am going to teach a command that means go out and around the barrel and another separate command that means come in switch around the barrel.   I will probably stick with my "ARound' the barrel to mean out and around and I have always done this with going around stuff.

Got no time to say 'in switch around'  so will be teaching a separate verbal cue for that one.

In my video, I only did out arounds as I am comfortable with that word and that performance.  YES  I can draw the path better and get the In Switch around,  but want to train that with my new word first.

Lisa
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Sharon Nelson on May 19, 2012, 10:12:43 AM
Hello,

Will there be courses that they have to come around the inside of the barrel rather than going around the outside?

Thanks!

Yes, definitely!   Right now they are mostly "bi-directional" but eventually a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction will be required.

Sharon
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Goldenbcagilitychamps on May 19, 2012, 10:28:51 AM
Thanks Sharon and Lisa,

I was going to use just an "around", however I've taught my "around" as a wrap command (do a "U" turn quickly and come back towards me).  Does that make sense?  So I did get a collapsible barrel yesterday and tried it and as soon as I gave the "around" they peeled off the barrel and came right back towards me.

Think they can learn the one word has two meanings??  I did keep my arm out and kept facing the barrel.... 
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Sharon Nelson on May 19, 2012, 10:34:12 AM
Thanks Sharon and Lisa,

I was going to use just an "around", however I've taught my "around" as a wrap command (do a "U" turn quickly and come back towards me).  Does that make sense?  So I did get a collapsible barrel yesterday and tried it and as soon as I gave the "around" they peeled off the barrel and came right back towards me.

Think they can learn the one word has two meanings??  I did keep my arm out and kept facing the barrel....   

"We" see it as two different things, but it is the same behavior to the dog.... go to the object and make a tight circle......... they will love the part where the same behavior can be used in multiple scenarios.... it just confirms what they already know and makes them feel that much better about themselves!

Sharon
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Goldenbcagilitychamps on May 19, 2012, 11:02:46 AM
"We" see it as two different things, but it is the same behavior to the dog.... go to the object and make a tight circle......... they will love the part where the same behavior can be used in multiple scenarios.... it just confirms what they already know and makes them feel that much better about themselves!

Sharon

So would you suggest I continue all the way in and keep pushing so they don't turn too quickly??

Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Sharon Nelson on May 19, 2012, 11:53:06 AM
Nope, just draw the path around the barrel and no need to go in and push!  You will both have fun!

Sharon
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Goldenbcagilitychamps on May 19, 2012, 11:58:36 AM
Nope, just draw the path around the barrel and no need to go in and push!  You will both have fun!

Sharon

**  OK we'll give it a shot!  :)
Title: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Karen Echternacht on May 19, 2012, 06:31:49 PM
Will there ever be a full circle around a barrel?  For instance, heading east, circle the barrel, and continue on east?
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Kathy Phelan on May 19, 2012, 07:53:06 PM
At our distance and directional seminar at the Battaglia's in Sparks NV today, Sunny and Amanda set up an A-frame -to a barrel - back to an A-frame/tunnel discrimination for us to try. Most of our dogs had never seen a barrel, although many of our pups have done outs around trees. I didn't see a single dog have any trouble switching around or coming tight around the barrel. It was FUN!

Kathy Phelan
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on May 19, 2012, 09:29:40 PM

So when I start to teach it - what should I be telling them??

Thanks!

I think with any command or obstacle there is no "absolute" command you have to use, as long as it feels comfortable for you to use. and the dog understands what you mean.  You could call it pumpkin or succotash if you wanted...   8)
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Sharon Nelson on May 19, 2012, 10:04:01 PM


I think with any command or obstacle there is no "absolute" command you have to use, as long as it feels comfortable for you to use. and the dog understands what you mean.  You could call it pumpkin or succotash if you wanted...   8)
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So very true!!

Sharon
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Team Twodog on May 21, 2012, 08:53:33 PM
How in the world is it that the other dog just stands there and watches? 

I'm curious too. What is the deal with the fluffy dog who hovers like a sheep in the foreground the whole time? Is that an older dog who just hangs out, or do you actually train your dogs to stand and watch each other work?
 
I understand putting a non-working dog in some kind of a stay while another dog runs, but this one looks to be free roaming.

Kim (still experimenting with how best to juggle my dogs during training)
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Jeannie Biggers on May 21, 2012, 09:33:10 PM
Kim,

I have one dog that well had NO impulse control a few years ago... I actually use my training sessions as impulse control training sessions as well (if that makes sense??)  :P  I started in the winter at the barn I train in.  The lady had an old mattress in there and I thought it was a perfect place for my dogs to lay instead of bringing in some type of crate or xpen each time.  It took a little time but now I can work a dog while the others are in a wait.  (Well except for my spoiled one that roams just like Lisas Moxie!!)

It is actually pretty cool and fun cause I put them in a stay and call one of their names to come play.  I always make sure that I reward the ones staying with a treat, a verbal reward, or releasing them!! 

I am lazy so this works great for me and it does a lot for my dogs  ;D
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: DonovanZoo on May 22, 2012, 08:56:31 AM
I notice that the dog,in this scenario, is always sent Out,counter clockwise, around the barrel.  With tunnels the dog will often have to come in to you and not take the "obvious" tunnel entrance. Will there be occasions where the dog coming off the dogwalk or out of the tunnel have to circle the barrel clockwise, on the right shoulder? Maybe Lisa was just starting with these dogs(though I doubt it   ;)  ), and establishing one direction before doing the other. Just wondering if they will have the challenge of not going in the "obvious" path?

Chrissy Donovan
Tucson
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Jackie Brasen on May 22, 2012, 07:34:15 PM
set this up tonight with the $6 dollar general short leaf barrel.

We had previously done a little bit of out around stuff, not much just enough to get Journey moving around the object as opposed to interacting with it other ways... not surprisingly Journey rocked it. Only his humans struggle with things like keep moving on the send even if moving means inches vs big steps etc.   8)

   
 
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on May 23, 2012, 08:22:09 PM
I notice that the dog,in this scenario, is always sent Out,counter clockwise, around the barrel.  With tunnels the dog will often have to come in to you and not take the "obvious" tunnel entrance. Will there be occasions where the dog coming off the dogwalk or out of the tunnel have to circle the barrel clockwise, on the right shoulder? Maybe Lisa was just starting with these dogs(though I doubt it   ;)  ), and establishing one direction before doing the other. Just wondering if they will have the challenge of not going in the "obvious" path?

Chrissy Donovan
Tucson

So far I've seen them treated much like tunnels on EGC courses, i.e., the dog has to go either clockwise or counterclockwise around barrels, or the barrels are bi-directional (you can go either way around the barrel).  I don't know, however, what plans Sharon has for a barrel appearing on a "regular" course, as I have not seen any yet, so only Sharon can answer that!
Title: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on May 23, 2012, 08:35:46 PM
It cracks me up as every time I post a video more people comment about moxie than my video :)

My free roaming dog is my 12 year old spoiled rotten get whatever he wants love of my life Moxie!!

Since I dont train him, he is just happy supervising my training sessions with the youngin's.

He gets in my way, barks at me and if I have treats comes in and goes them when he wants. Gotta love him!!!

Moxie is the only dog I let roam in thev ring when I am training and I suspect Tandem will take his place hanging in thevring sometime in the far future .

I actually forget he is in the videos until I watch them.     Moxie hates when I do video runs as he has to be outside the ring and it really pisses him off!!

In regards to always going out around the barrel I am going to train the out around and train come in around.   The purpose of the video was the show everyone an example of the use of the barrel so wanted to be successful.   I. Will train in around as well and I am going to have two separate verbals commands forv out around barrel and in switch around barrel.
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Heidi Konesko on May 24, 2012, 04:10:59 AM
I'm looking forward to hearing more about how people are working the turn away around the barrel.  It's not very smooth with us, I'm pullling Penny way in towards me and then abruptly switching her out.  Seems like it should be more of a subtle change with me drawing the path better I think...but she just wants to go out first and turn towards me. Seems like the need to change leads is part of it.  But maybe I'm thinking about it too much.
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on May 24, 2012, 03:35:13 PM
I'm looking forward to hearing more about how people are working the turn away around the barrel.  It's not very smooth with us, I'm pullling Penny way in towards me and then abruptly switching her out.  Seems like it should be more of a subtle change with me drawing the path better I think...but she just wants to go out first and turn towards me. Seems like the need to change leads is part of it.  But maybe I'm thinking about it too much.

Do you have a "switch" or similar command?  (dog turns away from you)  If so, I would begin with that.
Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on May 25, 2012, 08:20:51 AM
   Last weekend, we had a C shaped tunnel in tunnels.   We had to take the inside tunnel entrance.   I would say that 99% of the handlers overhanded it (including me with  Tandem).      We pulled the dog towards us then switched .  Tandem actually went around the tunnel as I was late and crappy handling.
When I ran Syn, I was sooo smooth... as I just drew the path the the correct side of the tunnel and i  TRUSTED that she would follow my body language cues.   It was awesome and smooth.       I know that Tandem has a tendency to go OUT not in...so I overhanded it.  I know that Syn has a tendency to come in ...so I was confident in her going to the correct tunnel entrance..and Like  i said, I handled it well. 

So I think the same thing may happen with the barrels.   

I would set up exercises such that the it is 'easier' to get the inside of the barrel (off set the barrel) so that you are confident in your handling of it and slowly move the barrel out.

Title: Re: quick video of barrel dog walk/tunnel
Post by: sportk9s on May 27, 2012, 08:54:18 PM
What I have been doing to teach my dogs to go both ways around barrels is to set up two barrels. I send the dogs in a figure eight pattern around them, with the dog going between the barrels to start the figure eight. They then do the figure eight around the barrels. Then I will do a figure eight which requires the switch, by sending them to the outside of the first barrel to start. They will then come through the center and need to do a switch to go back around the second barrel, come through the center, then another switch to go around the first barrel again. This has been working for my dogs, they caught on to it quickly.

I haven't tried the switch around a barrel on a course yet since I haven't had the chance but I'm guessing it would transfer easily.

Anne