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Title: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Chris Nelson on May 24, 2012, 04:10:11 PM
Hey everybody,

I spent a few hours this morning getting an update section built.    I am looking for some basic feedback as to the layout, accessibility, and readability.

This is just a first draft so I imagine it will change a good deal before the final version is done.

Click here: http://nadacforum.com/update (http://nadacforum.com/update)

The important things I need to know are:

Can you read everything. (I went a little overkill on trying to make the 'updates' look good, so they have some special formatting that may not work in all browsers.  If that ends up being the case I will have to suck it up and use basic text instead)

Is it relatively fast.  (Again I used a lot of special windows trying to make it look snazzy.  If it totally kills the speed then I will have to eliminate some of it)

Do the colors make your eyes hurt.  (I was pretty flamboyant on the color choice).

Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Jean Sather (McCreight) on May 24, 2012, 04:16:50 PM
Hey everybody,

I spent a few hours this morning getting an update section built.    I am looking for some basic feedback as to the layout, accessibility, and readability.

This is just a first draft so I imagine it will change a good deal before the final version is done.

Click here: http://nadacforum.com/update (http://nadacforum.com/update)

The important things I need to know are:

Can you read everything. (I went a little overkill on trying to make the 'updates' look good, so they have some special formatting that may not work in all browsers.  If that ends up being the case I will have to suck it up and use basic text instead)

Is it relatively fast.  (Again I used a lot of special windows trying to make it look snazzy.  If it totally kills the speed then I will have to eliminate some of it)

Do the colors make your eyes hurt.  (I was pretty flamboyant on the color choice).

yes I can read everything (using Google Chrome)
It was plenty fast for me.
Colors?  Yeah, sorta made my eyes hurt  ;D  Guess I'm a "black & white" sort of person (well, except when it comes to Zack's contact performances ..... ;)
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Chris Nelson on May 24, 2012, 04:19:15 PM
Yeah it's pretty bright.   

Think I might swing over to a fruit related technology company and copy their design. 
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: LJKing on May 24, 2012, 04:24:52 PM
Yes, the color was a bit...shocking..when it first came up. I think I like the more muted purple on this list. But heck, it's fine. It came up quickly on Firefox, no problem.

What exactly is the "update" section going to be? Updates on rules?

Thanks!

Lynda
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Chris on Mushtown Road on May 24, 2012, 04:35:10 PM
It was as fast as it needed to be, not sure if more information would slow it down?
Colors are a little intense but not hard to read.

Still looks like you are a genius though.

Chris in MN
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on May 24, 2012, 04:42:30 PM
I can read it fine and I LOVE the purple!
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: arlene on May 24, 2012, 04:42:47 PM
Chris, the update worked fine with my browser. The extreme hue difference was a little overwhelming for my old eyes but I could read everything clearly. Under the update you had 3 posts but they weren't supposed to do anything were they? I clicked on them but nothing happened so I assumed they had no function. You have been really busy with the Forum and now this. It reinforces the old adage- give a busy person the job if you want it done right. :) Arlene
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Shirlene Clark on May 24, 2012, 05:03:45 PM
Good layout and loads fast.

I am with Jean though a little bright for my tired old eyes  ;)
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Jeanne Allen on May 24, 2012, 05:05:33 PM
Worked for me using Internet Explorer 9.  I could read everthing.  Like the purple, but a bit to dark for me!!!
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Chris Nelson on May 24, 2012, 05:15:20 PM
Yes, the color was a bit...shocking..when it first came up. I think I like the more muted purple on this list. But heck, it's fine. It came up quickly on Firefox, no problem.

What exactly is the "update" section going to be? Updates on rules?

Thanks!

Lynda

It will be everything that people usually...Converse to us about saying it wasn't posted anywhere!

So if we don't make any kind of changes it will be a pretty blank page.

Then if someone quits NADAC for a few months and gets back into it, they could see what they missed in their hiatus and be up to speed.


So bonus dogs running first would be something.   I am sure there are others.

I will probably also add a 'proposed rule change' area for the stuff that has been announced but won't take effect until later years
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Chris Nelson on May 24, 2012, 05:16:37 PM
Chris, the update worked fine with my browser. The extreme hue difference was a little overwhelming for my old eyes but I could read everything clearly. Under the update you had 3 posts but they weren't supposed to do anything were they? I clicked on them but nothing happened so I assumed they had no function. You have been really busy with the Forum and now this. It reinforces the old adage- give a busy person the job if you want it done right. :) Arlene

Yup they aren't supposed to do anything.    Just basic text.

Although that does give me an idea.   If we had a long discussion about something (bonus dogs running first for instance) I could link to it in there.
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Shirley Wallace on May 24, 2012, 06:06:43 PM
Looks good to me and loaded very quickly on Safari.  I will admit, the colors are pretty intense, but I kind of like them!  8)  Need sunglasses!!!  I can hardly keep up with all the things you are doing for us.  Great job!   :)
Shirley
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Jeannie Biggers on May 24, 2012, 06:25:10 PM
I like the colors .... but I am kind of a "purple" lover!!   ;D  Looks great and an awesome concept!!   :-*
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Chris Nelson on May 24, 2012, 07:16:04 PM
I made the colors a little lighter.

Just on the main page.

It's better.  But still pretty...purple
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Shirlene Clark on May 24, 2012, 07:32:15 PM
PERFECT Chris !
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: LeeAnne McAdam on May 24, 2012, 07:39:00 PM
It worked fine for me on my iPad so I am guessing it will be fine on the 'puter, too.  Great idea, love the way it looks and as an added bonus (for me), you make me laugh!  Thanks for all your hard work, Chris.
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Debbie Lean on May 24, 2012, 08:04:24 PM
Love the purple! No problems with speed or readability.
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on May 24, 2012, 08:41:57 PM
Hey everybody,

I spent a few hours this morning getting an update section built.    I am looking for some basic feedback as to the layout, accessibility, and readability.

The important things I need to know are:

Can you read everything. (I went a little overkill on trying to make the 'updates' look good, so they have some special formatting that may not work in all browsers.  If that ends up being the case I will have to suck it up and use basic text instead)

Is it relatively fast.  (Again I used a lot of special windows trying to make it look snazzy.  If it totally kills the speed then I will have to eliminate some of it)

Do the colors make your eyes hurt.  (I was pretty flamboyant on the color choice).

I could read everything.

It was fast on IE 9 through my internet connection.

Flamboyant is a good word for the colors  :-* but I had no problem with it.

I don't want to be presumptuous, so are you looking for any other suggestions?
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Pam Kaye on May 24, 2012, 08:45:46 PM
I like it.

Fast, purple...

using Explorer.

Pam K
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Mary Kapner on May 24, 2012, 08:51:28 PM
I loved the purple!  Beautiful on my I-Pad!
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Chris Nelson on May 24, 2012, 08:53:34 PM


I don't want to be presumptuous, so are you looking for any other suggestions?

Absolutely!

Much easier to make changes now while it's still in development :)
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Chris Nelson on May 24, 2012, 09:33:09 PM
I have made a few more improvements. 

*When you hover over a month it will now say 'No Updates' if there is nothing inside.
*Added a new page for future changes and another for past updates.
*Changed the colors a bit.  Still purple.  But not  :oPurple :-*     
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on May 24, 2012, 10:13:49 PM

I don't want to be presumptuous, so are you looking for any other suggestions?

Absolutely!

Much easier to make changes now while it's still in development :)

I was going to send these privately, but maybe others have comments or disagree with my thoughts:

I think some of the concerns people have is to be able to check one place quickly for updates or changes.

I would add a tab section containing the current rule book, and perhaps under that tab have the rule book for judges as well, so if people are interested in what judges use to judge the performance, they can look at it.

Instead of having a "past update" section and "future changes" section, I'd suggest having just have one update section. Changes would be listed chronologically by date, , i.e. current changes in effect first by date, and then future changes chronologically out to date in the future.   At the end of the description of current updates or changes (e.g." bonus lines run first"), add or highlight in red or other eye-popping way: Change currently in effect as of 00/00/0000) 

Any change to become effective in the future (such as dogs have to be entered as a veteran at 8 years of age), add another eye-popping highlighted comment like: Change will be effective on January 1, 2014.  That way people will only have one section to check for changes or updates.

At the same time, add the current or future change to the Rulebook as well, perhaps highlighted in red with effective date of change.  That way people could check only the update section if they were  interested in recent changes or future changes, or read the rulebook, yet be aware of recent change or changes to be made in the future.

After the change has become effective, and been in the update section for a year (or 6 months, or whatever you decide), move it over into appropriate month and year tab the change was made.  The rule book could perhaps keep the change highlighted in red another year or so with the effective date still present.  After another year, remove the highlighting and effective date and it now becomes a regular unhighlighted part of the rulebook.

It may not even be necessary to have the monthly tabs unless you wanted people to be able to check when a change became effective, and that would be hard to do if they were looking for a specific change, as they would have to search through all the months.

So my vision has tabs:Changes/Updates, Rulebooks, NADAC, NADAC FORUM and perhaps the monthly tabs if you want to keep all changes listed by month and year.

Just MY thoughts.
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Chris Nelson on May 24, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
I like it.
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Marcy Matties on May 25, 2012, 04:37:32 AM
MUCH better!  All of us "old folks" thank you  :D


I made the colors a little lighter.

Just on the main page.

It's better.  But still pretty...purple
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Nancy H on May 25, 2012, 07:13:53 AM
Hi,

I tried it with Google Crome and Safari, and both looked great!!

thanks for all your hard work :D
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Debra Slattery on May 25, 2012, 08:43:16 AM
I really like the layout and love the rollover on the month buttons.  I was going to say maybe they could be a little smaller.  On my laptop I have to scroll to get to October, November, December.  But after reading Sheila's suggestions, I think I may like her update/change idea better.  Despite the fact that I like the look of the buttons, it would be easier to find changes if they're all on one page...
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: mymixkc on May 25, 2012, 01:06:27 PM
I really like the layout and love the rollover on the month buttons.  I was going to say maybe they could be a little smaller.  On my laptop I have to scroll to get to October, November, December.  But after reading Sheila's suggestions, I think I may like her update/change idea better.  Despite the fact that I like the look of the buttons, it would be easier to find changes if they're all on one page...

I was thinking the buttons could be smaller too = less scrolling, but agree that Sheila's suggestion might solve that issue... also thinking the "month" buttons could be changed to "years" and still be a useful resource.

Really nice changes happening!
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Chris Nelson on May 25, 2012, 05:20:41 PM
Update version 1.2.1 is up now.

Still playing with colors a bit trying to get something to stand out without blaring in your face and making your eyes hurt.   The 'glow' effect really makes them stand out, but is even a little harsh on my eyes.

Fire away!
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Jean Sather (McCreight) on May 25, 2012, 05:46:42 PM
Update version 1.2.1 is up now.

Still playing with colors a bit trying to get something to stand out without blaring in your face and making your eyes hurt.   The 'glow' effect really makes them stand out, but is even a little harsh on my eyes.

Fire away!
The red on purple isn't as easy to read as the others but the rest are fine.  The important August 24 announcement is great!
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Rose on May 25, 2012, 07:01:53 PM
Comes up fine in Firefox.  The red font on the purple background is difficult to read.  The rest are fine, although sticking with white for most of the text would probably be easiest on the eye.  It would also make the highlighted words really pop!
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Chris Nelson on May 25, 2012, 08:11:52 PM
Sounds good.

Now we just need to get some stuff to put in there :)
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Phyllis Sanders on May 26, 2012, 07:38:39 AM
The white letters on purple background shows up great for my ancient eyes.

Phyllis Sanders
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on May 26, 2012, 05:33:41 PM
I have a few other thoughts.  Rather than having separate date buttons, I would simply have a section that would list all the updates such as:


FUTURE CHANGES


Effective 07/01/2012   At the startline, competitors must "Tebow" to the judge to show they are ready to run.

Effective 07/01/2012   If the judge is Chris Nelson, you must also "Tebow" at the end of the run, as well as the "Tebow" at the beginning of the run.

Effective 08/24/2012   Chris Nelson's birthday; bring presents and money


CHANGES IN EFFECT 2012

Currently in effect, change made March 2012   Competitor must inform the judge they intend to do a bonus run; bonus runs will be done first.

Currently in effect; change made February 2012   All dogs must have at least one spot of purple to run at Championships.


All changes made in 2010 and before are currently in the rulebook. The changes noted above are also in the rulebook and are highlighted in red.  After the changes have been in effect for one year, the changes will be in the rulebook but will no longer be highlighted in red.   You can find the Rulebook for NADAC competitors at NADAC Rulebook



This way you would at most only click one button, if they are organized as they currently are by date button, you would have to click on each date to see the change.  And as it is now, there is no clue as to what the change is until you click the button.  There is also no indication as to what is a change that is already in effect,  and what changes will take place in the future. 

This way you can scroll down by date (future chronological date changes going forward, and current changes listed by latest date first and going backwards.

As mentioned in a previous post, the changes would remain up a certain period of time (whatever NADAC determines) and them they will disappear from the update section and go into the rule book.  Perhaps a notice can go in the Update section that the changes will remain up for a certain period of time before being removed to the rule book, and then include a link to the rule book.

BTW, I didn't see a tab for the rulebook on the update page.

These are all suggestions and just my thoughts.  Please feel free to use or not, and I hope others have input as well.

Respectfully submitted,
Title: funny! Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Heidi Konesko on May 26, 2012, 08:23:34 PM
Laughing at Sheila's proposed rules!!
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Chris Nelson on May 26, 2012, 08:31:35 PM
All still sounds good to me.   

I am not much of a organized thinker.   So the suggestions are appreciated.

Rulebook should be able to get up there.   Just have to learn a couple things about pdf files and webpages
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on May 26, 2012, 09:23:02 PM
All still sounds good to me.   

I am not much of a organized thinker.   So the suggestions are appreciated.

Rulebook should be able to get up there.   Just have to learn a couple things about pdf files and webpages

Not saying your idea is not workable.  Just my ideas and another way to think of it.  I'm interested in what others think, as I know the perspective of others helps to come up with new ideas.

Glad you like my proposed rules, Heidi!   How about a big raise for Chris for doing all this work?  Proposed effective date: immediately!
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Marcy Matties on May 27, 2012, 04:27:30 AM
I like Sheila's idea (and rules!).  Just being able to "see the list" makes sense to me.  New things go at the top of the list with their dates.  I really don't think the list would get that long that it would take much scrolling.  If people have to click on buttons they will miss things.  My two cents worth.   8)

All still sounds good to me.   

I am not much of a organized thinker.   So the suggestions are appreciated.

Rulebook should be able to get up there.   Just have to learn a couple things about pdf files and webpages

Not saying your idea is not workable.  Just my ideas and another way to think of it.  I'm interested in what others think, as I know the perspective of others helps to come up with new ideas.

Glad you like my proposed rules, Heidi!   How about a big raise for Chris for doing all this work?  Proposed effective date: immediately!
Title: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Caseyyogi on May 27, 2012, 06:47:59 AM
The magenta color seems too bright and makes me not want to read. The speed seemed ok on my ipad.  Casey
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Donna Fernandez on May 27, 2012, 07:43:47 PM
I like everything about it! It will be a great resource!

Donna with Cotton and Barney (sorry if this repeats - can't remember if I have a signature line set up!!)
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Murrelet Halterman on June 01, 2012, 12:00:14 PM
I just looked - the middle two colors were difficult to read, the first and last were fine.

Murrelet
Title: Re: Feedback wanted. (Lord help me)
Post by: Anne Etherton on June 02, 2012, 08:40:00 PM
I had no problem reading it.  I think I'd like a bit more muted, but i really like what you're doing.  Love the fast updates on points.  Thank you!

Anne