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Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 23, 2015, 01:04:13 AM
We have had two clubs test the EGC Gamblers with great success!  Right now it must be hand scored as there isn't any software available yet for EGC Gamblers.

We have also started using the new course design for Barrelers and it has had very positive feedback. 

So far we have no negative feedback from either EGC Gamblers or the new course design for EGC Barrelers.

So we are pretty set that Barrelers will start using the improved course design. 

We will add EGC Gamblers during 2015 and by the end of 2015, Gaters and Chances will be removed from the class listing.

Also the faults allowed will be four faults for all levels in Barrelers and Hoopers and any runs under 50 points will be an NQ, once the software is updated.

I will announce when the software programs are updated and the above improvements are in effect.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 23, 2015, 10:19:33 AM
You will remain at your current level of Barrelers, that doesn't change.

For EGC Gamblers, you may start at Intro/Novice or you may continue at whatever level you were at in EGC Chances.

You only need 30 points at a level before moving up.
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on June 24, 2015, 02:05:26 PM
After months of recording results and receiving input from clubs and competitors, NADAC will continue to offer Extreme Hoopers and Extreme Barrellers to the NADAC program.

Gamblers has not been well accepted and exhibitors have not given very much positive input about the class.  They find it difficult to attempt and hard to understand.  Judging are not finding it to be a rewarding experience either.  Gamblers has been run widely in the Southern California/Arizona area, also in the Bend, OR area and lightly in Alberta, CA and very sparingly in other areas.

Many clubs that had Gamblers slated as a class have switched to a different class after testing it out. 

With the lack of positive feedback and acceptance, we don't see the need to continue to promote Extreme Gamblers.  We have removed it from all of the Bend, OR funraisers.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on July 06, 2015, 09:29:08 AM
Forgive me if this has been answered--
what awards can you get from Xbarrelers and Xhoopers?
I have added them to my trials so I know people will be asking me questions :)
Thanks
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Maureen deHaan on July 07, 2015, 07:55:19 AM
Still confused- posted these questions last week and would love an answer please

#1 x-gaters and x-chances can be transferred to x-hoopers and x-barrelers?

#2 - What are the requirements for and Extreme NATCH ?

People in the northeast would like to know :)  (Ok really just me but still ...)

Thanks
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 07, 2015, 08:16:20 AM
Still confused- posted these questions last week and would love an answer please

#1 x-gaters and x-chances can be transferred to x-hoopers and x-barrelers?

#2 - What are the requirements for and Extreme NATCH ?

People in the northeast would like to know :)  (Ok really just me but still ...)

Thanks

Gaters can go to Barrelers,  X-Chances and x-Gmablers could go to Chances.

There will be no more Extreme NATCH, it will be replaced with an All Around NATCH that includes X-Hoopers and Barrelers.

Barrelers will be called Barrelers, not Extreme Barrelers.  We will stop using the acronym of EGC, since Barrelers and X-Hoopers will become NADAC classes and not a separate entity.  Strategic Hoopers will end.  Clubs can offer Numbered Hoopers or X-Hoopers and those points will combine together as "Hoopers".

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Mary Kapner on July 07, 2015, 09:48:20 AM
Some time ago there was a title/awards flow chart.  Perhaps a revival of that could help us "challenged" people remember new changes in titles a bit easier?
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: LeeAnne McAdam on July 07, 2015, 11:01:28 AM
Still confused- posted these questions last week and would love an answer please

#1 x-gaters and x-chances can be transferred to x-hoopers and x-barrelers?

#2 - What are the requirements for and Extreme NATCH ?

People in the northeast would like to know :)  (Ok really just me but still ...)

Thanks

Gaters can go to Barrelers,  X-Chances and x-Gmablers could go to Chances.

There will be no more Extreme NATCH, it will be replaced with an All Around NATCH that includes X-Hoopers and Barrelers.

Barrelers will be called Barrelers, not Extreme Barrelers.  We will stop using the acronym of EGC, since Barrelers and X-Hoopers will become NADAC classes and not a separate entity.  Strategic Hoopers will end.  Clubs can offer Numbered Hoopers or X-Hoopers and those points will combine together as "Hoopers".

Sharon


I hate admitting how dense I can be, but does that mean if we have 100 Open XHoopers points, I could transfer those to "plain" hoopers and that would count toward our Open All Around if that's the only class we lack?

Thank you!
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 07, 2015, 11:12:59 AM
Still confused- posted these questions last week and would love an answer please

#1 x-gaters and x-chances can be transferred to x-hoopers and x-barrelers?

#2 - What are the requirements for and Extreme NATCH ?

People in the northeast would like to know :)  (Ok really just me but still ...)

Thanks

Gaters can go to Barrelers,  X-Chances and x-Gmablers could go to Chances.

There will be no more Extreme NATCH, it will be replaced with an All Around NATCH that includes X-Hoopers and Barrelers.

Barrelers will be called Barrelers, not Extreme Barrelers.  We will stop using the acronym of EGC, since Barrelers and X-Hoopers will become NADAC classes and not a separate entity.  Strategic Hoopers will end.  Clubs can offer Numbered Hoopers or X-Hoopers and those points will combine together as "Hoopers".

Sharon


I hate admitting how dense I can be, but does that mean if we have 100 Open XHoopers points, I could transfer those to "plain" hoopers and that would count toward our Open All Around if that's the only class we lack?

Thank you!

Yep!!

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on July 07, 2015, 11:15:57 AM
So in order to get All Around NATCH, do you need to have your superiors in all levels? 
Or is it 230 Regular and 130 points in ALL other classes?
Thanks
lisa
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Stardax Dachshunds on July 07, 2015, 11:27:05 AM
I like the fact that Barrelers will stay as its own class (and that point for Barrelers can only be earned from X-Barrelers and/or X-Garters).  I really enjoyed my last Open Barrelers course a few weeks ago - nice balance of tunnels and barrels and change of side challenges!

I also like that X-Hoopers will remain its own class, but I am not in favour of combining Hoopers with X-Hoopers for points/titles.  They are very different courses, with very different challenges and very different scoring (and 5 pt Qs allowed in X-Hoopers, but not numbered Hoopers).    If it is its own class, why can't we keep it as a separate titling class? 

Thank you,
Brenda

Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 07, 2015, 11:28:27 AM
So in order to get All Around NATCH, do you need to have your superiors in all levels? 
Or is it 230 Regular and 130 points in ALL other classes?
Thanks
lisa

Superiors have never been a part of a NATCH.  The All Around will require all points needed for a NATCH, Versatility NATCH, plus 230 points in X-Hoopers and 230 points in Barrelers.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Maureen deHaan on July 07, 2015, 11:47:45 AM
So in order to get All Around NATCH, do you need to have your superiors in all levels? 
Or is it 230 Regular and 130 points in ALL other classes?
Thanks
lisa

Superiors have never been a part of a NATCH.  The All Around will require all points needed for a NATCH, Versatility NATCH, plus 230 points in X-Hoopers and 230 points in Barrelers.

Sharon

Thanks Sharon - that is what I wanted to know - :)  I think Kiva is closing in on an All Around NATCH then :)
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on July 07, 2015, 11:55:12 AM
Ok trying to understand :)

Until recently, you needed superiors in EGC to move up...but that is no longer the case.  You can get 30 points and move up.

In order to get an All Around NATCH, you need 230 in barrelers and hoopers in addition to NATCH VNATCH  requirements.   Just curious as to why we would need 230 in those two classes but only 130 in the other non-regular classes.   

Is barrels and hoopers going to still be 'beta' format even if the trial is not beta?  Or will there will 2 different courses for these classes?

Thanks so much
lisa
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: LeeAnne McAdam on July 07, 2015, 12:37:36 PM


Gaters can go to Barrelers,  X-Chances and x-Gmablers could go to Chances.

There will be no more Extreme NATCH, it will be replaced with an All Around NATCH that includes X-Hoopers and Barrelers.

Barrelers will be called Barrelers, not Extreme Barrelers.  We will stop using the acronym of EGC, since Barrelers and X-Hoopers will become NADAC classes and not a separate entity.  Strategic Hoopers will end.  Clubs can offer Numbered Hoopers or X-Hoopers and those points will combine together as "Hoopers".

Sharon


I hate admitting how dense I can be, but does that mean if we have 100 Open XHoopers points, I could transfer those to "plain" hoopers and that would count toward our Open All Around if that's the only class we lack?

Thank you!

Yep!!

Sharon

Well, that's cool.   Thanks!
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 07, 2015, 02:21:12 PM
So in order to get All Around NATCH, do you need to have your superiors in all levels? 
Or is it 230 Regular and 130 points in ALL other classes?
Thanks
lisa

Superiors have never been a part of a NATCH.  The All Around will require all points needed for a NATCH, Versatility NATCH, plus 230 points in X-Hoopers and 230 points in Barrelers.

Sharon

Thanks Sharon - that is what I wanted to know - :)  I think Kiva is closing in on an All Around NATCH then :)

Awesome!!

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 07, 2015, 02:23:47 PM
Ok trying to understand :)

Until recently, you needed superiors in EGC to move up...but that is no longer the case.  You can get 30 points and move up.

In order to get an All Around NATCH, you need 230 in barrelers and hoopers in addition to NATCH VNATCH  requirements.   Just curious as to why we would need 230 in those two classes but only 130 in the other non-regular classes.   

Is barrels and hoopers going to still be 'beta' format even if the trial is not beta?  Or will there will 2 different courses for these classes?

Thanks so much
lisa

Yes, Barrelers and Hoopers will remain the same course, run twice.

The scoring will stay in the original format used for the Extreme NATCH (requiring 230 points).

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Rebecca Kriz on July 07, 2015, 03:03:03 PM
Does the All Around NATCH specifically need X-Hoopers points, or is it any type Hoopers now that X and numbered are combined for points?
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 07, 2015, 03:51:20 PM
Does the All Around NATCH specifically need X-Hoopers points, or is it any type Hoopers now that X and numbered are combined for points?

X-Hoopers.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Cheryl Gilbert on July 07, 2015, 04:06:55 PM
When do the requirements for the all around awards change?  Will these classes be included in the VT program at some point?  Thanks!
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 07, 2015, 04:49:37 PM
When do the requirements for the all around awards change?  Will these classes be included in the VT program at some point?  Thanks!

The All Arounds Awards haven't changed.  We are currently discussing an All Around NATCH, but the original All Arounds won't change.  Barrelers and X-hoopers will not be part of the VT program, as they have to be judged by a "live" judge for flow.  We could do it via video, but the video would have to be perfect, and that is a big criteria to show every sequence for flow.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Cheryl Gilbert on July 07, 2015, 06:19:00 PM
Aha!!!  Thanks so much!!! 
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: mephalon on July 08, 2015, 05:33:01 AM
I am disappointed that Strategic Hoopers will no longer be as it was one of my favorite classes.

As a trial host can you tell me when this will take effect?  My trial apps for the rest of the year along with the premiums have been approved and posted- and they include Strategic Hoopers.   

Thanks

Mary
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: mephalon on July 08, 2015, 05:48:52 AM
"Clubs can offer Numbered Hoopers or X-Hoopers and those points will combine together as "Hoopers".

So what level do you enter if the points are combined.   My girl is in Elite Hoopers but Novice X-Hoopers.     Do I enter Elite if it is Numbered Hoopers but Novice if it is X-Hoopers?   Or do I now enter Elite for both since it is now "Hoopers" without the distinction.   

TIA

Mary
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sara Langston on July 08, 2015, 06:51:07 AM
Quote
Gaters can go to Barrelers,  X-Chances and x-Gmablers could go to Chances.

There will be no more Extreme NATCH, it will be replaced with an All Around NATCH that includes X-Hoopers and Barrelers.

Barrelers will be called Barrelers, not Extreme Barrelers.  We will stop using the acronym of EGC, since Barrelers and X-Hoopers will become NADAC classes and not a separate entity.  Strategic Hoopers will end.  Clubs can offer Numbered Hoopers or X-Hoopers and those points will combine together as "Hoopers".

Sharon

So, so, so, so, so, sad to see Strategic Hoopers go away.  I love Strategic Hoopers!!!!!  I don't like Numbered Hoopers!!!  It is just a Jumpers course with hoops.  From my standpoint, Strategic Hoopers offered lots more opportunities for handling challenges.  JMHO

For those of us in the Hinterlands who have not had access to EGC trials and courses, is there anywhere I can see examples of the courses for the X-Hoopers and Barrelers classes????  Also, how does this impact my Laughing Dog Agility trial in October???  I am offering Strategic Hoopers as one of the classes.  The premium has already been approved and I am about to publish it.  Does the AU software support scoring of X-Hoopers and Barrelers or do we need to score it by hand???

Thanks for any input and help anyone can offer me. 

Sara Langston, Laughing Dog Agility
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Linda L on July 08, 2015, 09:30:47 AM
So as far as points transferring...  Say you have 30 points in Extreme Hoopers, and 0 in Regular Hoopers.  Do you now have 30 in Regular Hoopers and a HP-N title?  Similary you have 30 in Gaters & 30 in Barrellers, do you now have the Outstanding Barrellers title? What happens to the titles that you had in classes that are no longer available?  Thanks.   :)
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 08, 2015, 10:06:42 AM
I am disappointed that Strategic Hoopers will no longer be as it was one of my favorite classes.

As a trial host can you tell me when this will take effect?  My trial apps for the rest of the year along with the premiums have been approved and posted- and they include Strategic Hoopers.   

Thanks

Mary

All trials offering Strategic Hoopers can still offer that class.  Strategic Hoopers is only offered 9 times in the next year.  Five of those 9 are being offered by SCOR!  So Strategic Hoopers is only being offered in five locations for the year.  Clubs just haven't offered it and the people just didn't support it.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 08, 2015, 10:08:14 AM
"Clubs can offer Numbered Hoopers or X-Hoopers and those points will combine together as "Hoopers".

So what level do you enter if the points are combined.   My girl is in Elite Hoopers but Novice X-Hoopers.     Do I enter Elite if it is Numbered Hoopers but Novice if it is X-Hoopers?   Or do I now enter Elite for both since it is now "Hoopers" without the distinction.   

TIA

Mary

You must enter the level you are eligible for.  So, yes you would be in Elite Hoopers and Novice X-Hoopers.  You can't enter Elite for both if you are not eligible for Elite in both.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 08, 2015, 10:10:14 AM
Quote
Gaters can go to Barrelers,  X-Chances and x-Gmablers could go to Chances.

There will be no more Extreme NATCH, it will be replaced with an All Around NATCH that includes X-Hoopers and Barrelers.

Barrelers will be called Barrelers, not Extreme Barrelers.  We will stop using the acronym of EGC, since Barrelers and X-Hoopers will become NADAC classes and not a separate entity.  Strategic Hoopers will end.  Clubs can offer Numbered Hoopers or X-Hoopers and those points will combine together as "Hoopers".

Sharon

So, so, so, so, so, sad to see Strategic Hoopers go away.  I love Strategic Hoopers!!!!!  I don't like Numbered Hoopers!!!  It is just a Jumpers course with hoops.  From my standpoint, Strategic Hoopers offered lots more opportunities for handling challenges.  JMHO

For those of us in the Hinterlands who have not had access to EGC trials and courses, is there anywhere I can see examples of the courses for the X-Hoopers and Barrelers classes????  Also, how does this impact my Laughing Dog Agility trial in October???  I am offering Strategic Hoopers as one of the classes.  The premium has already been approved and I am about to publish it.  Does the AU software support scoring of X-Hoopers and Barrelers or do we need to score it by hand???

Thanks for any input and help anyone can offer me. 

Sara Langston, Laughing Dog Agility

Laughing Dog can still offer Strategic Hoopers in October.  They are one of five clubs that offered it this year.  AU supports X-Hoopers and Barrelers.  Only Gamblers is scored by hand.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 08, 2015, 10:12:36 AM
So as far as points transferring...  Say you have 30 points in Extreme Hoopers, and 0 in Regular Hoopers.  Do you now have 30 in Regular Hoopers and a HP-N title?  Similary you have 30 in Gaters & 30 in Barrellers, do you now have the Outstanding Barrellers title? What happens to the titles that you had in classes that are no longer available?  Thanks.   :)

Transfers will not be automatic.  They will need to be requested by emailing me.  Some people do want to keep all titles in the original classes.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Stardax Dachshunds on July 08, 2015, 12:26:52 PM
"Clubs can offer Numbered Hoopers or X-Hoopers and those points will combine together as "Hoopers".

So what level do you enter if the points are combined.   My girl is in Elite Hoopers but Novice X-Hoopers.     Do I enter Elite if it is Numbered Hoopers but Novice if it is X-Hoopers?   Or do I now enter Elite for both since it is now "Hoopers" without the distinction.   

TIA

Mary

Hoopers question:  I currently have 40 Open X-Hoopers points and 60 Open Numbered Hoopers points.  I I move all these points to #'d Hoopers (and forfeit my X-Hooper title), can I then compete in Elite Hoopers - X or #'d?   (as I will have max'd out the Open Hooper's points).

I am a bit confused as to how all the points can go together, but you have to compete at different levels?  What if you had 10 in one and 20 in the other - for 30 Hoopers points - could you move up to the next level?

Thanks,
Brenda

You must enter the level you are eligible for.  So, yes you would be in Elite Hoopers and Novice X-Hoopers.  You can't enter Elite for both if you are not eligible for Elite in both.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 08, 2015, 03:18:24 PM

Hoopers question:  I currently have 40 Open X-Hoopers points and 60 Open Numbered Hoopers points.  I I move all these points to #'d Hoopers (and forfeit my X-Hooper title), can I then compete in Elite Hoopers - X or #'d?   (as I will have max'd out the Open Hooper's points).

I am a bit confused as to how all the points can go together, but you have to compete at different levels?  What if you had 10 in one and 20 in the other - for 30 Hoopers points - could you move up to the next level?

Thanks,
Brenda


Yes, you could combine those Open points into Hoopers and be eligible for Elite Hoopers.
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sara Langston on July 08, 2015, 06:16:16 PM
Quote
Laughing Dog can still offer Strategic Hoopers in October.  They are one of five clubs that offered it this year.  AU supports X-Hoopers and Barrelers.  Only Gamblers is scored by hand.

Sharon

AWESOME!!!!!  That's what we will do.  Thanks so much. 

Sara Langston, Laughing Dog Agility
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: b2k2gordon on August 18, 2015, 10:05:13 AM
I guess I'm dense and don't understand do my X-Gaters points transfer to X-Barrelers?
 If they do how do I get them transferred?
And what happens to my X-chances/X-Gamblers points?

Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Yvette Cook on August 18, 2015, 10:48:59 AM
Hi there b2k2gordon,

First, please remember to sign your posts.

As for moving points, yes they can be moved, but it is not automatic. 
X-Chances points can be moved to Chances.  I believe the XGamblers points are combined with XChances.

All points that are wanted to be moved are requested by email with the dog info, what points you want moved where, and all in 1 email.  Sharon is the one that usually receives the emails, but for now, I would send them to Chris (right Chris???).

I hope that helps.

Yvette

I guess I'm dense and don't understand do my X-Gaters points transfer to X-Barrelers?
 If they do how do I get them transferred?
And what happens to my X-chances/X-Gamblers points?
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: b2k2gordon on August 18, 2015, 03:39:23 PM
Yvette,

Thank you for the information.

Karen
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Lynn Koeppen on September 19, 2015, 12:42:24 PM
If our club wants to do a fun match with the EGC classes, where can we get course maps to help us set?
Thanks!
Lynn Koeppen
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Linda L on September 21, 2015, 08:09:21 AM
So I ran and qualified in X-Hoopers this weekend.  Are the X-Hoopers points now part of Hoopers, or is it still separate? 

Thanks,
Linda Lavolette
Sparky, Carnie, Twister
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on September 21, 2015, 04:32:27 PM
So I ran and qualified in X-Hoopers this weekend.  Are the X-Hoopers points now part of Hoopers, or is it still separate? 

Thanks,
Linda Lavolette
Sparky, Carnie, Twister

They are separate, unless you specifically request for them to be combined into Hoopers for the purpose of an All Around award.  Regular Hoopers cannot transfer to X-Hoopers, but X-Hoopers could transfer to Hoopers for the All Arounds.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: cheerily999 on October 25, 2015, 05:38:30 PM
Hi ~ I'm getting caught up on reading the forum... Will Barrelers and Hoopers become part of the V-NATCH requirements...or only for the All-Around NATCH for teams that choose to pursue that? Also, will clubs be required to offer either of these classes?

Thank you,

Cheryl Henning
Salem, OR
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on October 25, 2015, 06:33:04 PM
Hi ~ I'm getting caught up on reading the forum... Will Barrelers and Hoopers become part of the V-NATCH requirements...or only for the All-Around NATCH for teams that choose to pursue that? Also, will clubs be required to offer either of these classes?

Thank you,

Cheryl Henning
Salem, OR

We will be setting a date (a couple years into the future) where Barrelers and X-Hoopers will be required for a Versatility NATCH.  Until that time we will temporarily be offering an All Around NATCH, but when those two classes get added on for the Versatility NATCH, then the All Around NATCH will be removed from the Awards list (just like the Extreme NATCH was removed when we removed Gaters and X-Chances from the NADAC class listing for awards).

This will give clubs two years for their competitors to get their dogs into the Elite level of those classes for their Versatility NATCH.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: cheerily999 on October 25, 2015, 07:28:33 PM
Thank you, Sharon. Respectfully, I'm not interested in these additional classes. In order not to do these classes, would my dog need to earn her NATCH & V-NATCH within the 2 year transition period or just be in Elite in all classes by the end of the transition period? The latter seems possible but not the former.

Best,

Cheryl
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on October 25, 2015, 08:59:48 PM
Thank you, Sharon. Respectfully, I'm not interested in these additional classes. In order not to do these classes, would my dog need to earn her NATCH & V-NATCH within the 2 year transition period or just be in Elite in all classes by the end of the transition period? The latter seems possible but not the former.

Best,

Cheryl

Yes, you could still earn a Versatility NATCH until 2018 without any points in Barrelers or X-Hoopers.  Good luck!!

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Jean Sather (McCreight) on October 26, 2015, 05:59:42 AM
Could someone please direct me to requirements for the current All-Around NATCH?  Thought I was fairly "Forum-literate" and knew my way around the NADAC website, but I'm just not finding them ..... :)
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Rsquared on October 26, 2015, 08:36:30 AM
Sharon's 7/7/15 post says you need a NATCH + 230 (elite?) points in X-Hoopers and 230 (elite?) points in X-Barrelers.

R2
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Jean Sather (McCreight) on October 26, 2015, 09:19:30 AM
Thanks, Ronni!
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on October 26, 2015, 04:58:17 PM
Could someone please direct me to requirements for the current All-Around NATCH?  Thought I was fairly "Forum-literate" and knew my way around the NADAC website, but I'm just not finding them ..... :)

For the first one,
230 Regular
230 X-Hoopers
230 Barrelers
130 Jumpers
130 Chances
130 Tunnelers
130 Touch N Go
130 Weavers

For additional All Around NATCH

200 more Regular
200 more X-Hoopers
200 more Barrelers
100 more Jumpers
100 more Chances
100 more Tunnelers
100 more Touch N Go
100 more Weavers
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on October 26, 2015, 05:01:47 PM
I know this was posted "somewhere" but I can't seem to find it.  What are the various requirements for titles in Extreme Barrelers and Extreme Hoopers?   What is required to move up?
Thanks,
Linda
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Jean Sather (McCreight) on October 26, 2015, 05:05:27 PM
Thanks, Sharon!
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on October 26, 2015, 05:35:25 PM
I know this was posted "somewhere" but I can't seem to find it.  What are the various requirements for titles in Extreme Barrelers and Extreme Hoopers?   What is required to move up?
Thanks,
Linda
After additional searching, I have found what I needed to know.
Thanks,
Linda
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on October 26, 2015, 06:23:17 PM
I know this was posted "somewhere" but I can't seem to find it.  What are the various requirements for titles in Extreme Barrelers and Extreme Hoopers?   What is required to move up?
Thanks,
Linda

It is the same as all other NADAC classes.  30 points is the basic title and you can move up after the basic title.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso on November 11, 2015, 09:18:11 AM
Hi ~ I'm getting caught up on reading the forum... Will Barrelers and Hoopers become part of the V-NATCH requirements...or only for the All-Around NATCH for teams that choose to pursue that? Also, will clubs be required to offer either of these classes?

Thank you,

Cheryl Henning
Salem, OR

We will be setting a date (a couple years into the future) where Barrelers and X-Hoopers will be required for a Versatility NATCH.  Until that time we will temporarily be offering an All Around NATCH, but when those two classes get added on for the Versatility NATCH, then the All Around NATCH will be removed from the Awards list (just like the Extreme NATCH was removed when we removed Gaters and X-Chances from the NADAC class listing for awards).

This will give clubs two years for their competitors to get their dogs into the Elite level of those classes for their Versatility NATCH.

Sharon

I would be more in favor of leaving the V-NATCH as it is and offering an All-Around NATCH for the added classes for a few reasons.

First:  I live in an area where these classes are simply not offered on a regular basis.  Those that do offer it, often offer it on a Friday, and I unfortunately can't take off of work all that often to be able to attend the trial and gain the points necessary for the title.  The fact that you cannot do barrelers as a VT (and I understand why)makes it even more difficult if not impossible to obtain the necessary NATCh points.

Second:  This adds 4 additional runs for the dogs on any given weekend.  Granted, these are not jumping runs, but the stress on some dogs to run that many runs in a weekend, regardless of jumping or not, is a lot.  Not to mention that it is hard on the handlers too.  Many of the venues that we run in are indoor soccer fields.  Those are simply some turf over concrete, with concrete surrounding the field.  Running multiple runs over multiple days is hard.  Plus I often am working with course sets, bar setting or leash running.  I have bad knees and ankles and most times by the end of the weekend after running my 3 dogs, I can barely walk.  Adding 12 additional runs would be torture.  Not to mention what it does to the dogs.  Outdoors or on dirt wouldn't be as bad because the pounding isn't there, but it is still a lot to ask of any dog.  It also adds a lot of time to an already long day.   If I am at a trial that I have spent the night, it makes for a LOOOONG, late, exhausting drive home. 

Third:  As I mentioned, I run 3 dogs at this time.  My fees for any given weekend is anywhere from $360 to $450, depending on if the club gives discounts or I can get an early bird special.  This doesn't count any hotel costs, gas, meals, etc.  Adding 12 runs to the weekend would be a huge expense for me.  An expense that could easily make me have a $800-1,000 weekend of agility.  This is something that I simply can't afford to do.   

And YES I have the "choice" of running these runs or not, and while the awards are not the reason to run, everyone has the right to have a goal and to feel like they can reach that goal.  If because of lack of availability, finances, or simply taking care of myself and my dogs, I could never achieve a V-NATCH, I would most likely only run on a regular basis those events that I could earn my NATCH points.  I might add a course here or there, but not on a regular basis.  This would not only be disappointing to my dogs, but would also hurt the local club putting on the trial because there would be far less money coming in.  And in our area, NADAC is struggling as it is.  The clubs can't afford to lose any more entries.

One of the reasons that I love NADAC so much is the endless variety of things that we can strive for with our dogs.  You can keep your dogs in the lower levels and earn extended titles or you can move up more quickly.  You can run many runs or just a few.  You can work bonus lines or not.  By keeping the NATCH, V-NATCH and All-Around NATCH separate, it gives those of us a choice of how we want to proceed with our dogs and our goals.  Those with the opportunities, dogs, finances and bodies that can handle the additional runs can choose to go for the All Around and enjoy THAT journey.  Those who choose for whatever reason not to do the additional events, can stick with the V-NATCH and enjoy THAT journey, and those that only strive or choose the NATCH, can enjoy THAT journey.  There is something for everyone out there to enjoy and set their own personal goals and achievements. 


Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on November 11, 2015, 09:36:14 AM
Good input, thanks everyone!

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: A Jussero on November 11, 2015, 11:25:09 AM
Audri's comments are exactly the issue here also.  Because a trial for us requires four full days due to travel time, we don't have the ability/finances/time to do that many so securing even the V-NATCH is years of effort (especially when we work for the Superiors at each level and can only do VT in summer).  A NATCH is something we may only dream about but  I really do like the idea of using the EGC classes for a separate All Around NATCH
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Janice_Shavor on November 11, 2015, 12:21:54 PM
Just a thought because our dogs are so different.  Which games Rough Collies like to run may not match what Border Terriers like to run.  All our dogs have favorite games --- and it follows there may be some they do not enjoy as much.

So, make it a combination of games for a V_NATCH.  Trade Weavers for XHP or Tunnelers for XBR???  The NATCH is Regular, Jumpers, and Chances from the days when that was all the games.  Of the games available, there are TnG, TNN, WVRs, HPP, XBR, XHP.  For a NATCH, you have 3 classes.  For a V-NATCH, you add three more games.  So let us pick the 3 that suit us (I don't have that many runs per day myself) and our dog.
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on November 11, 2015, 12:36:27 PM
Just a thought because our dogs are so different.  Which games Rough Collies like to run may not match what Border Terriers like to run.  All our dogs have favorite games --- and it follows there may be some they do not enjoy as much.

So, make it a combination of games for a V_NATCH.  Trade Weavers for XHP or Tunnelers for XBR???  The NATCH is Regular, Jumpers, and Chances from the days when that was all the games.  Of the games available, there are TnG, TNN, WVRs, HPP, XBR, XHP.  For a NATCH, you have 3 classes.  For a V-NATCH, you add three more games.  So let us pick the 3 that suit us (I don't have that many runs per day myself) and our dog.

I personally not support a Versatility NATCH without Weavers or Touch N Go.  Those are special skills classes that show an expertise on contacts and weaves.  The rest of the classes (Tunnelers, X-Hoopers, and Barrelers) all test a dog's ability to make directional changes at speed.  I would not ever want to see a Versatility NATCH with all three "other" classes are all speed classes with directional challenges only.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Janice_Shavor on November 12, 2015, 11:47:03 AM
That makes a lot of sense.  So, what about Tunnelers?  If the challenge is speed and direction changes, could another game substitute for it?  I am thinking of the handlers of tall dogs who must stoop and crouch to go through 24" tunnels.
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on November 12, 2015, 12:00:05 PM
That makes a lot of sense.  So, what about Tunnelers?  If the challenge is speed and direction changes, could another game substitute for it?  I am thinking of the handlers of tall dogs who must stoop and crouch to go through 24" tunnels.

I will give that some thought!!

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: paragonpaps on November 12, 2015, 12:16:34 PM
I would like to see the VNATCH stay the way it is as stated for the same reason as Ann, Audri, and Janci.  If someone would like to switch out tunnelers for X-Barrels or Hoopers, I think that is wonderful for that team's NADAC journey. 

PLEASE, PLEASE leave the option of VNATCH with weavers, TNG, and tunnelers for me and my dog's NADAC journey.

The All-Around NATCH would just be another journey for another's team journey.

What I LOVE about NADAC is that there are so many options for people to choose and pick their journey for their team.  That is one of the wonderful things about NADAC!  People can be success in many different ways. 

Thanks
Wanda
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on November 12, 2015, 01:05:29 PM
I would like to see the VNATCH stay the way it is as stated for the same reason as Ann, Audri, and Janci.  If someone would like to switch out tunnelers for X-Barrels or Hoopers, I think that is wonderful for that team's NADAC journey. 

PLEASE, PLEASE leave the option of VNATCH with weavers, TNG, and tunnelers for me and my dog's NADAC journey.

The All-Around NATCH would just be another journey for another's team journey.

What I LOVE about NADAC is that there are so many options for people to choose and pick their journey for their team.  That is one of the wonderful things about NADAC!  People can be success in many different ways. 

Thanks
Wanda

Thanks for giving input!  The input given is well thought out and has great content and logic!

I hate change (even though people think the opposite of me!!).

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Rebecca Kriz on November 12, 2015, 10:18:38 PM
I didn't ask about this earlier because I decided it really didn't matter, but seeing that additional feedback is being taken into consideration, I figured it didn't hurt to bring it up.  When the Vers-NATCH 'merge' was announced, I wondered if the points required would remain the same, or would the Barrelers/X-Hoopers point requirements be lowered to match the other classes.  I was thinking that lowering the EGC requirements to 130 might make the additional classes an easier pill to swallow.  (Could be wrong, and I'm sure someone will let me know.)  I also think having everything the same makes it easier to remember/explain.  The titling requirements for the lower levels now match all the other classes, so why not carry it to the upper levels?  Just a thought.
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on November 12, 2015, 10:46:06 PM
I didn't ask about this earlier because I decided it really didn't matter, but seeing that additional feedback is being taken into consideration, I figured it didn't hurt to bring it up.  When the Vers-NATCH 'merge' was announced, I wondered if the points required would remain the same, or would the Barrelers/X-Hoopers point requirements be lowered to match the other classes.  I was thinking that lowering the EGC requirements to 130 might make the additional classes an easier pill to swallow.  (Could be wrong, and I'm sure someone will let me know.)  I also think having everything the same makes it easier to remember/explain.  The titling requirements for the lower levels now match all the other classes, so why not carry it to the upper levels?  Just a thought.

Actually the titling requirements are not the same as the other classes, they match the same format as Regular.  Also Barrelers and X-Hoopers always requires the same course run twice and we aren't changing that.  Also Barrelers and X-Hoopers is all about handling without any focus on "obstacles" which makes it very different.

An All Around NATCH is something way above a Versatility NATCH and part of that is the added requirement of those two extra classes.  If it was the same as Tn, Tg, and Wv, then it wouldn't reflect the stringent requirements for the All Around.

We have always required a huge requirement for an Elite All Around Award.  That is why there are so few of them and that is why you earn a spot in the Hall of Fame if you can meet that requirement.

I would hate to see the term "All Around" become something much less when it is combined with word "NATCH".  If we use the term "All Around NATCH" then it must require the same high level of skills reflected with that terminology.  One must earn 230 Hoopers points for the All Around Award.  It would be hard to say that an All Around NATCH criteria is lowered to 130 to earn that status.
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Rebecca Kriz on November 12, 2015, 11:07:44 PM
Ahaha, I thought about clarifying that this suggestion was not referring to the All Around NATCH, but the future 'merged' Vers-NATCH that included X-Hoopers/Barrelers, but didn't.   I am totally down with the All Around NATCH requiring the higher points, as that is separate from the Versatility NATCH.  I was just throwing out the idea that maybe when the two awards 'merged,' the points required be the same across the classes, and that it might make people a little more accepting of the idea of Barrelers/X-Hoopers being part of the Vers-NATCH.
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Maureen deHaan on November 13, 2015, 02:37:57 AM
Personally, I like the idea of keeping the All Around NATCH separate from the Vers. NATCH for a couple of reasons

1- Not everyone offers / plays the X-games - so why should someone not be able  to earn a Vers NATCH if those games are not offered in their area or they choose not to play them for whatever reason - some people just don't like them (although I can't imagine why  :P  )

2- X-games require a different skill set  and I really think teams who can achieve the 230 points in the Elite level of the X-Games deserve to earn a special NATCH that is separate from the Vers. NATCH

The beauty of NADAC is something for everyone - having the 3 options for different NATCHes again proves that

JMO -
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Rsquared on November 13, 2015, 07:32:15 AM
I understand what Rebecca is saying.  Keep the All Around NATCh point requirements as they are until that award goes away and you just offer the Versatility NATCH.  At that point, change the point requirement for a Versatility NATCH to match the other special skills classes required for the V-NATCH.  130 points is a lot less daunting than 230. You would eliminate the need for two separate award categories and you might get more clubs offering EGC.

Ronni and All Around NATCH Scooter & A-D-D Ollie
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on November 13, 2015, 09:39:57 AM
Ahaha, I thought about clarifying that this suggestion was not referring to the All Around NATCH, but the future 'merged' Vers-NATCH that included X-Hoopers/Barrelers, but didn't.   I am totally down with the All Around NATCH requiring the higher points, as that is separate from the Versatility NATCH.  I was just throwing out the idea that maybe when the two awards 'merged,' the points required be the same across the classes, and that it might make people a little more accepting of the idea of Barrelers/X-Hoopers being part of the Vers-NATCH.

Good input and good thoughts!!

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: cheerily999 on November 13, 2015, 02:18:50 PM
I'm glad I checked in again on this topic. It appears that there's an opportunity for input on the final plan. If indeed that's the case, I'd like to give my support for the concept of keeping the V-NATCH as it is and then add the option to swap out Tunnelers for X-Barrelers or X-Hoopers since they seem to be similar "tests". I don't have an opinion as to whether the Qs from these three classes that count towards the V-NATCH must all be in one class or if all Qs from these three classes should be combined. And I don't have an opinion about a higher level award beyond the NATCH/V-NATCH.

I look forward to learning the final plan for this change. It will certainly affect whether I continue in NADAC.

Best,

Cheryl Henning
Salem, OR
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on November 13, 2015, 03:19:28 PM
I'm glad I checked in again on this topic. It appears that there's an opportunity for input on the final plan. If indeed that's the case, I'd like to give my support for the concept of keeping the V-NATCH as it is and then add the option to swap out Tunnelers for X-Barrelers or X-Hoopers since they seem to be similar "tests". I don't have an opinion as to whether the Qs from these three classes that count towards the V-NATCH must all be in one class or if all Qs from these three classes should be combined. And I don't have an opinion about a higher level award beyond the NATCH/V-NATCH.

I look forward to learning the final plan for this change. It will certainly affect whether I continue in NADAC.

Best,

Cheryl Henning
Salem, OR

The NATCH program will remain as it is.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on November 13, 2015, 03:58:48 PM
Thank you, Sharon, for listening and considering all opinions.
Linda
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on November 13, 2015, 04:16:59 PM
Thank you, Sharon, for listening and considering all opinions.
Linda

I try Linda!!  Thanks for the note!

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Erin Wajda on November 15, 2015, 07:00:28 PM
I too am in favor of keeping the Versatility NATCH as is and adding the X-Hoopers and Barrelers in to a "new" All Around NATCH.  I don't think we should change the requirements for an award that has been around as long as the Versatility NATCH.  The addition of the All Around NATCH that includes the "new" classes would be like the addition of the Versatility NATCH when Tunnelers, Weavers, and Touch N Go were new.   I LOVE how NADAC is always evolving!

Erin
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on November 15, 2015, 07:32:39 PM
I too am in favor of keeping the Versatility NATCH as is and adding the X-Hoopers and Barrelers in to a "new" All Around NATCH.  I don't think we should change the requirements for an award that has been around as long as the Versatility NATCH.  The addition of the All Around NATCH that includes the "new" classes would be like the addition of the Versatility NATCH when Tunnelers, Weavers, and Touch N Go were new.   I LOVE how NADAC is always evolving!

Erin

Yep!  As I posted above, the Versatility NATCH will stay as is.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Lois Mierau on November 15, 2015, 07:36:07 PM
As someone that doesn't do the extreme games I thank you for leaving the V-Natch as is!!

Lois Mierau
Sondog Agility
Saskatoon, Sk.
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: cheerily999 on November 15, 2015, 07:59:23 PM
Yay! Very happy to hear that the V-NATCH program will remain as it is. Thank you, Sharon.

Cheryl Henning
Salem, OR
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso on November 18, 2015, 09:32:32 AM
I too am in favor of keeping the Versatility NATCH as is and adding the X-Hoopers and Barrelers in to a "new" All Around NATCH.  I don't think we should change the requirements for an award that has been around as long as the Versatility NATCH.  The addition of the All Around NATCH that includes the "new" classes would be like the addition of the Versatility NATCH when Tunnelers, Weavers, and Touch N Go were new.   I LOVE how NADAC is always evolving!

Erin

Yep!  As I posted above, the Versatility NATCH will stay as is.



Sharon

Thanks for taking in all of our opinions!  That is why I love NADAC so much.  We actually can have an open discussion about possible changes and those opinions are listened to.
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on December 01, 2015, 05:36:53 AM
YEAH  V-NATCH program is staying as is :)  Thank you for listening !!

So... are we still having an All Around NATCH?

ITZ has added Extreme Hoopers to its list of lineup classes and has been doing barrelers  for awhile now.

 I need to make a ribbon order so will add this to my ribbon list :)

Thanks
 Lisa
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on December 01, 2015, 04:02:52 PM
YEAH  V-NATCH program is staying as is :)  Thank you for listening !!

So... are we still having an All Around NATCH?

ITZ has added Extreme Hoopers to its list of lineup classes and has been doing barrelers  for awhile now.

 I need to make a ribbon order so will add this to my ribbon list :)

Thanks
 Lisa

Yes, there will be an All Around NATCH!

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: DeafSheltieMom on December 01, 2015, 11:13:23 PM
Just wondering if we can move Open XHoopers points down to Novice Hoopers in order to earn a Novice All-Around?  It may be coincidental for the trials we've been attending, but it seems more SoCal clubs are offering XHoopers in lieu of regular Hoopers.  I don't want to move down to Novice XHoopers, as Tesla needs the challenge, and the longer we are in Open XHoopers, the better for my nerves, as Elite XHoopers intimidates me  :o  I don't mind staying in Open XHoopers longer in order to use the points towards her Novice All-Around.  Thanks for any help you can offer.
-dayle
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Rsquared on December 02, 2015, 07:03:31 AM
Dayle,

Check out Sharon's 7/7 response to this question:

Quote from: LeeAnne McAdam on July 07, 2015, 11:01:28 AM

I hate admitting how dense I can be, but does that mean if we have 100 Open XHoopers points, I could transfer those to "plain" hoopers and that would count toward our Open All Around if that's the only class we lack?

Thank you!

Sharon's reply:

Yep!!

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on December 02, 2015, 10:50:39 AM
Just wondering if we can move Open XHoopers points down to Novice Hoopers in order to earn a Novice All-Around?  It may be coincidental for the trials we've been attending, but it seems more SoCal clubs are offering XHoopers in lieu of regular Hoopers.  I don't want to move down to Novice XHoopers, as Tesla needs the challenge, and the longer we are in Open XHoopers, the better for my nerves, as Elite XHoopers intimidates me  :o  I don't mind staying in Open XHoopers longer in order to use the points towards her Novice All-Around.  Thanks for any help you can offer.
-dayle

Yep!

Sharon

Also you live in a very progressive area....... and they see the lack of Hoopers and the increase in X-Hoopers and they move forward with what they see as "future".  It is very likely that eventually the older style of Hoopers will be replaced with X-Hoopers.  But that will be a couple years........ but Southern CA will already be there.
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: DeafSheltieMom on December 02, 2015, 12:20:17 PM
Thanks for the quick responses, Ronni and Sharon!  I'll PM Sharon with Tesla's info for the points transfer... 
-dayle
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: Sharon Nelson on December 02, 2015, 12:31:35 PM
Thanks for the quick responses, Ronni and Sharon!  I'll PM Sharon with Tesla's info for the points transfer... 
-dayle

Actually you will want to email Chris (NadacChris@gmail.com) for any points transfers.  Chris is now totally in charge of points, other than bonus points awarded and the committee has to approve those.

Sharon
Title: Re: EGC 2015
Post by: DeafSheltieMom on December 02, 2015, 12:44:33 PM
Thanks, Sharon!  I just forwarded your PM to Chris, so you don't need to do anything...  sorry about that!
-dayle