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Title: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: mygsds on November 11, 2015, 03:35:55 PM
Can someone describe Extreme Barrelers and Extreme Hoopers..maybe share a course map?  Seeing my first ones in a premium.
Thanks
Pat
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: cheyaut on November 18, 2015, 05:30:20 AM
I bet if you search on youtube, you'd be able to find some courses of them being ran?
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Sharon Nelson on December 01, 2015, 04:02:20 PM
Can someone describe Extreme Barrelers and Extreme Hoopers..maybe share a course map?  Seeing my first ones in a premium.
Thanks
Pat

Sorry I missed seeing this post!

I have attached a set of Barrelers courses from Intro to Elite and a set of X-Hoopers from Intro to Elite.

After looking at the courses, let me know if you have any questions.

Sharon
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: mygsds on December 01, 2015, 04:43:43 PM
This is really helpful - thank you!

Pat
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on December 01, 2015, 04:53:17 PM
Thanks for posting these, Sharon.  Very interesting.
Linda
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: LeeAnne McAdam on December 01, 2015, 05:31:05 PM
Oohhhh...those make me all excited to play EGC again!!
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Sara Langston on December 02, 2015, 06:55:25 AM
In the X-Hoopers, do the blue arrows indicate where gates would be or is that open space???  Thanks. 

Sara Langston
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Janice_Shavor on December 02, 2015, 07:34:08 AM
The blue arrows are the gates which can be lattice gates or 36" tall x-pens.  You need 6 X-pens for XHP. 

And I am so glad to see these.  I plan to be at the fun-raiser in Cookeville, TN and absolutely want my guys ready for the X-games!
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Aurinko on March 19, 2016, 07:55:50 AM
In the extreme hoopers courses there is a line that handlers are not allowed to cross.
Is this the same with extreme barrelers and tunnelers? Thanks!
Gerry
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Sharon Nelson on March 19, 2016, 10:17:02 AM
In the extreme hoopers courses there is a line that handlers are not allowed to cross.
Is this the same with extreme barrelers and tunnelers? Thanks!
Gerry

The handler cannot pass the wings in X-Hoopers.  Barrelers and Tunnelers have no restrictions.

Sharon
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Richard Wolfe on March 19, 2016, 12:34:34 PM
Is the rule still in effect such that the handler may not be between the dog and the barrel?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Sharon Nelson on March 19, 2016, 12:58:34 PM
Is the rule still in effect such that the handler may not be between the dog and the barrel?

Thanks.

No, but it is self-restricting in that it is likely there are hoops on the barrel in Open and Elite!

Sharon
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Richard Wolfe on March 19, 2016, 01:14:19 PM
Thanks, Sharon.  Yep, that part was obvious, of course.  We're still in Novice and ran in Hutchinson last month.  I forgot to ask Chris at the time.
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Sharon Nelson on March 19, 2016, 02:42:19 PM
Thanks, Sharon.  Yep, that part was obvious, of course.  We're still in Novice and ran in Hutchinson last month.  I forgot to ask Chris at the time.

That is a good question though and glad you asked it!

Sharon
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Aurinko on March 20, 2016, 03:43:50 AM
Thanks Sharon
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Aurinko on April 18, 2016, 05:22:55 AM
Hi everyone,
Are there any course maps of extreme Gaters and Chances? In the VT section I haven't seen any extreme course maps yet...
Thanks, Gerry
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: dogrsqr on April 18, 2016, 06:32:52 AM
There is no longer any Extreme Gaters or Chances, only Ex Hoopers and Barrelers.

Gina
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Aurinko on April 18, 2016, 06:51:56 AM
Good reason why they are so hard to find then ;)
Thanks!

The obstacles used in extreme Hoopers are just hoops and Gates, Am I right?
And the obstacles that can be used in extreme barrelers, is that mostly barrels or can you find different obstacles in those courses?
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Richard Wolfe on April 18, 2016, 07:14:05 AM
Good reason why they are so hard to find then ;)
Thanks!

The obstacles used in extreme Hoopers are just hoops and Gates, Am I right?
And the obstacles that can be used in extreme barrelers, is that mostly barrels or can you find different obstacles in those courses?

Hi, Gerry.  Ex-Barrelers has barrels, tunnels and hoops.  In the Elite level, the hoops can be touching the barrels and must be performed.  They are there to assist the judge in determining the dog has taken the most efficient path.  Not offered near me very often, but we've done them at Fun-raisers and pre-Champs and it is FUN!!!  My favorite is the X-Hoopers.  You're correct, only hoops and gates.  The fun part is that it forces you to work distance because of the Circle of Doom (one of several joking names for a polygon, actually) that forces distance handling.  It may look intimidating at first, especially if you're used to working closely with your dog, but you can see each other very easily and the distance isn't too great.  Just the issue of a light barrier between you.  I think you'll find that most dogs could care less about the barrier if the handler feels that way as well.  Another ingenious get-in-the-handler's head game that Sharon and Co. have invented over the years!  In my personal experience and from watching others run, most of the dogs don't even flinch unless the handler has a doubt. 
First time we played these games I might have been one of those.  At the time it was sort of a separate venue that we weren't likely to follow and I didn't really care about it.  And we had never seen it before but I decided to try it.  But because I didn't expect to be doing it much there was really no pressure as I saw it as a whim.  That first time, my 3 dogs ALL qualified!!  Of course, the next time I guess it mattered to me a little more and some slight stress entered my head as I wanted us to do even better.  So, naturally, I goofed them up!  But it was still fun.
Try it, you'll like it!!!  Good luck!
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Aurinko on April 18, 2016, 10:13:55 AM
Thanks so much Richard!

Stress does have the tendency to make the same game slightly different ;) never easier

I'm from the Netherlands so I have to take care of that myself, we have no extreme games here, but it looks like so much fun and a fantastic challenge!
Great find of Sharon and Co! ;)
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Richard Wolfe on April 18, 2016, 10:34:06 AM
I agree, Gerry.  As in my tag line "the line is not your friend" neither is stress!  I still find it hard to leave it behind but have lightened up over the 15 years I've done NADAC!!  But NADAC courses are so much fun it helps!

Hey, If you're up to it, NADAC has a branch in Australia.  Why not the Netherlands!!!!

And BTW, my maternal grandfather was from a place he called 'Outergow from Blitzerdale".  He didn't spell it for me, that's sort of what it sounded like.  I never really understood exactly.  But maybe he meant Oudega?  He said he only spoke what he called "low Dutch" and I think he meant slang rather than formal.
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: MoabDiane on April 18, 2016, 04:50:02 PM
Gerry, in case you missed the discussion (somewhere....):  there is now a move to use metal exercise pens ("x-pens") instead of the plastic lattice gates.  Either one or the other is acceptable in competition (if and when you get it going there!).  They are easier to move around, just as easy to set up, and have multiple uses out of the game (like, keeping a dog confined!).  I use mine for all sorts of temporary fencing too.  If you need more info, I'm sure someone here can point you to that discussion (or maybe you can search for it).  It's a blast!

diane
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Aurinko on April 19, 2016, 01:29:03 AM
I agree, Gerry.  As in my tag line "the line is not your friend" neither is stress!  I still find it hard to leave it behind but have lightened up over the 15 years I've done NADAC!!  But NADAC courses are so much fun it helps!

Hey, If you're up to it, NADAC has a branch in Australia.  Why not the Netherlands!!!!

And BTW, my maternal grandfather was from a place he called 'Outergow from Blitzerdale".  He didn't spell it for me, that's sort of what it sounded like.  I never really understood exactly.  But maybe he meant Oudega?  He said he only spoke what he called "low Dutch" and I think he meant slang rather than formal.

Having fun is the most important thing!

Great idea Richard ;D

In have put the question out to a friend, this is what I know: Oudega is a place in Friesland, that's in the North of the Netherlands (top left corner) and it could be he spoke Frisian which is the local (or provincial) slang.
So if I get more info I will let you know!

Gerry, in case you missed the discussion (somewhere....):  there is now a move to use metal exercise pens ("x-pens") instead of the plastic lattice gates.  Either one or the other is acceptable in competition (if and when you get it going there!).  They are easier to move around, just as easy to set up, and have multiple uses out of the game (like, keeping a dog confined!).  I use mine for all sorts of temporary fencing too.  If you need more info, I'm sure someone here can point you to that discussion (or maybe you can search for it).  It's a blast!

diane

I did miss that Diane, thanks, I know those, and they are easy indeed and multiple use is always great. Are they used for the straight sides too, so not the circle part but the 2 lines to the side?
Do they attach them to the circle then? Just trying make a mental picture here...
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Vicki Storrs on April 19, 2016, 05:31:38 AM
I agree, Gerry.  As in my tag line "the line is not your friend" neither is stress!  I still find it hard to leave it behind but have lightened up over the 15 years I've done NADAC!!  But NADAC courses are so much fun it helps!

Hey, If you're up to it, NADAC has a branch in Australia.  Why not the Netherlands!!!!

And BTW, my maternal grandfather was from a place he called 'Outergow from Blitzerdale".  He didn't spell it for me, that's sort of what it sounded like.  I never really understood exactly.  But maybe he meant Oudega?  He said he only spoke what he called "low Dutch" and I think he meant slang rather than formal.

Having fun is the most important thing!

Great idea Richard ;D

In have put the question out to a friend, this is what I know: Oudega is a place in Friesland, that's in the North of the Netherlands (top left corner) and it could be he spoke Frisian which is the local (or provincial) slang.
So if I get more info I will let you know!

Gerry, in case you missed the discussion (somewhere....):  there is now a move to use metal exercise pens ("x-pens") instead of the plastic lattice gates.  Either one or the other is acceptable in competition (if and when you get it going there!).  They are easier to move around, just as easy to set up, and have multiple uses out of the game (like, keeping a dog confined!).  I use mine for all sorts of temporary fencing too.  If you need more info, I'm sure someone here can point you to that discussion (or maybe you can search for it).  It's a blast!

diane

I did miss that Diane, thanks, I know those, and they are easy indeed and multiple use is always great. Are they used for the straight sides too, so not the circle part but the 2 lines to the side?
Do they attach them to the circle then? Just trying make a mental picture here...

If you want a visual, there are photos posted, and a fair amount of discussion/description on a forum  thread. Go to "Home" on the Forum. Select the EGC GENERAL DISCUSSION option header.  There will be a thread there titled XHP Equipment Preference that was begun, as I recall, in December 2015 that gets around to using the ex pens (it's not a long thread, 2 pages I believe) and includes some photos from LeeAnne in a post on the second page--though Sharon I think adds a later qualifier that a "regulation" circle is a little larger/uses more ex pens than are shown in the photos, but seeing the set up is still a big help. NADAC regulations require the pens to be 36" and they say you need 6 or 7 sets to do a full size circle. (Of course if You have little dogs and am ONLY using them for practice I might save $ and buy shorter sets for my home use.)
Hope this helps!
Vicki Storrs
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Aurinko on April 19, 2016, 06:44:46 AM

If you want a visual, there are photos posted, and a fair amount of discussion/description on a forum  thread. Go to "Home" on the Forum. Select the EGC GENERAL DISCUSSION option header.  There will be a thread there titled XHP Equipment Preference that was begun, as I recall, in December 2015 that gets around to using the ex pens (it's not a long thread, 2 pages I believe) and includes some photos from LeeAnne in a post on the second page--though Sharon I think adds a later qualifier that a "regulation" circle is a little larger/uses more ex pens than are shown in the photos, but seeing the set up is still a big help. NADAC regulations require the pens to be 36" and they say you need 6 or 7 sets to do a full size circle. (Of course if You have little dogs and am ONLY using them for practice I might save $ and buy shorter sets for my home use.)
Hope this helps!
Vicki Storrs
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thanks for the help Vicki
I found the alternative gate circle threat from may 2015, there was a picture there (on the top of the page, it was only on page) but it says attachment cannot be found. I couldn't find the XHP Equipment Preference thread, I went back to 2014.
Gerry
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Janice_Shavor on April 19, 2016, 06:55:04 AM
Gerry, I started that thread.  It is about the fifth down from the top.  I was trying to figure out whether to build more gates (didn't have enough) or just go with the x-pens.
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Aurinko on April 19, 2016, 08:30:28 AM
Gerry, I started that thread.  It is about the fifth down from the top.  I was trying to figure out whether to build more gates (didn't have enough) or just go with the x-pens.


Thanks Janice!
Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on April 27, 2016, 04:27:07 AM
Will Xhoopers and barrelers be available for VT runs now that it is scored like the other classes?

This would give people incentive to set and train for these classes :) 

Title: Re: Xtreme barrelers and Hoopers
Post by: Sharon Nelson on April 27, 2016, 12:26:49 PM
Will Xhoopers and barrelers be available for VT runs now that it is scored like the other classes?

This would give people incentive to set and train for these classes :)

At some point, but not for the next two months for sure.  We already have VT courses assigned and to add more isn't feasible right now.  We want to see the courses run in trials for at least two months before adding them to VT sets.

Sharon