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Title: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Karen Birdsong on August 17, 2016, 08:19:13 PM
Buried in the long threat "X-Hoopers as part of NATCH" Sharon suggested 4 gates instead of 3 between hoops in the circle.   I just want to confirm, for my club's up coming annual Games Trial, we should use 16 gates in the circle instead of 12.  We have time to make and/or track down 4 more gates.   
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Sharon Nelson on August 17, 2016, 08:25:59 PM
Buried in the long threat "X-Hoopers as part of NATCH" Sharon suggested 4 gates instead of 3 between hoops in the circle.   I just want to confirm, for my club's up coming annual Games Trial, we should use 16 gates in the circle instead of 12.  We have time to make and/or track down 4 more gates.

If you have them yes, it makes a much better circle.  If you don't have them, you can use 3, the dogs just turn tighter.

Sharon
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Erin Wajda on August 17, 2016, 09:07:12 PM
How about the wings?  If we use 4 gates for each section of the hoop circle, should we use 3 gates for the wings instead of 2?

Thanks,
Erin
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Sharon Nelson on August 17, 2016, 09:24:53 PM
How about the wings?  If we use 4 gates for each section of the hoop circle, should we use 3 gates for the wings instead of 2?

Thanks,
Erin

If you have them, yes.

Sharon
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: mike wolff on August 18, 2016, 02:20:21 AM
Does this affect the clubs using ex-pens?


Mike Wolff
Up and Over Dog Sports
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on August 18, 2016, 05:14:14 AM
Buried in the long threat "X-Hoopers as part of NATCH" Sharon suggested 4 gates instead of 3 between hoops in the circle.   I just want to confirm, for my club's up coming annual Games Trial, we should use 16 gates in the circle instead of 12.  We have time to make and/or track down 4 more gates.
I am having trouble (no surprise there) getting this all straight.  Is this correct:
1.  If a club/individual doesn't have enough gates/X-pens, they are allowed to have 3 gates in a section in the circle?  In this case, they would use 2 gates for the wings?
2.  If one has enough gates for 4 per section, then 3 gates are used for the wings?
3.  Are both of the above situations allowed for VT runs?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Linda
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Sharon Nelson on August 18, 2016, 08:02:47 AM
Buried in the long threat "X-Hoopers as part of NATCH" Sharon suggested 4 gates instead of 3 between hoops in the circle.   I just want to confirm, for my club's up coming annual Games Trial, we should use 16 gates in the circle instead of 12.  We have time to make and/or track down 4 more gates.
I am having trouble (no surprise there) getting this all straight.  Is this correct:
1.  If a club/individual doesn't have enough gates/X-pens, they are allowed to have 3 gates in a section in the circle?  In this case, they would use 2 gates for the wings?
2.  If one has enough gates for 4 per section, then 3 gates are used for the wings?
3.  Are both of the above situations allowed for VT runs?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Linda

1. yes
2. yes
3. yes

The preferred use is x-pens.

Sharon
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on August 18, 2016, 09:26:31 AM
Thanks for the quick response.  One more question - if using X-pens, do they all have to be the same color?  I have a black one and a goldish one. Could I use both?
Linda
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Sharon Nelson on August 18, 2016, 10:08:33 AM
Thanks for the quick response.  One more question - if using X-pens, do they all have to be the same color?  I have a black one and a goldish one. Could I use both?
Linda

yes, if they are all 36"
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Karen Echternacht on August 18, 2016, 05:57:37 PM
Curious... Why are x-pens preferred? 
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Sharon Nelson on August 18, 2016, 05:58:41 PM
Curious... Why are x-pens preferred?

the spacing is perfect and the dogs can see the handlers better.

Sharon
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Marcy Matties on August 19, 2016, 12:34:45 PM
Curious... Why are x-pens preferred?

the spacing is perfect and the dogs can see the handlers better.

Sharon

Sharon, I'm looking at a couple of brands of x-pens.  Some say "light weight", others do not.  So I don't know how they compare to say the Midwest ones you posted an Amazon link to.  But I guess my question is this - actually 2 questions -

1)  Given their intended use, does it matter if they are light weight or not?  Do they need to be "heavy duty?"  and

2)  Is there a preference for gates without a door, or is the door OK?

Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Sharon Nelson on August 19, 2016, 01:27:54 PM
Sharon, I'm looking at a couple of brands of x-pens.  Some say "light weight", others do not.  So I don't know how they compare to say the Midwest ones you posted an Amazon link to.  But I guess my question is this - actually 2 questions -

1)  Given their intended use, does it matter if they are light weight or not?  Do they need to be "heavy duty?"  and

2)  Is there a preference for gates without a door, or is the door OK?

The really light weight ones won't stand up by themselves without staking poles on the circle.

without door is preferred, but it could be used if necessary.
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Pam Kaye on August 21, 2016, 05:13:42 PM
Marcy,

Could you copy/paste that email of Sharon's with the link to the x pens?  I can't find it and I'm ready to buy some and sell my gates.

Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Marcy Matties on August 21, 2016, 05:25:24 PM
Marcy,

Could you copy/paste that email of Sharon's with the link to the x pens?  I can't find it and I'm ready to buy some and sell my gates.
Sorry I can't search for that right now. But it wasn't an email. It was a reply on the forum. So if you search x pens and look for Sharon replies you can probably find it.
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Sharon Nelson on August 21, 2016, 05:58:02 PM
Marcy,

Could you copy/paste that email of Sharon's with the link to the x pens?  I can't find it and I'm ready to buy some and sell my gates.
Sorry I can't search for that right now. But it wasn't an email. It was a reply on the forum. So if you search x pens and look for Sharon replies you can probably find it.

amazon.com
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Pam Kaye on August 22, 2016, 08:03:46 AM
Thanks, Sharon.

And they're lightweight but not TOO lightweight.

Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Sandy Langan on August 23, 2016, 07:41:37 PM
Our club decided awhile back to offer the X Hoopers class at our upcoming December trial. Three club members spend their own money to get 20 new lattice gates for the class. I'm a little disappointed now to find out you would prefer ex pens. Will it still be allowed for us to use the gates at our trials. Thanks Sandy Langan  Circle of Friends
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Sharon Nelson on August 23, 2016, 10:10:07 PM
Our club decided awhile back to offer the X Hoopers class at our upcoming December trial. Three club members spend their own money to get 20 new lattice gates for the class. I'm a little disappointed now to find out you would prefer ex pens. Will it still be allowed for us to use the gates at our trials. Thanks Sandy Langan  Circle of Friends

Yes, you can definitely use the gates!!  They are allowed and work well!

Sharon
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: mephalon on August 28, 2016, 08:27:08 AM
Can someone post a close up picture of a hoop circle with ex-pens? Specifically looking for how they are made to stand up.  Are the ex-pens staked? Are they slightly offset?

Tia

Mary
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Sharon Nelson on August 28, 2016, 08:30:56 AM
Can someone post a close up picture of a hoop circle with ex-pens? Specifically looking for how they are made to stand up.  Are the ex-pens staked? Are they slightly offset?

Tia

Mary

On ours, we only put one stake on the wings.  I don't stake the circle at all, the hoops hold it up when they are velcroed together.

Sharon
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Pam Kaye on August 28, 2016, 09:00:06 AM
And speaking of velcro, I haven't shopped the velcro aisle yet.  Does it come on a roll that you cut pieces off?  Or what?
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Sharon Nelson on August 28, 2016, 09:04:51 AM
And speaking of velcro, I haven't shopped the velcro aisle yet.  Does it come on a roll that you cut pieces off?  Or what?

I buy the rolls that come in 8" lengths for organizing computer cords.

https://www.amazon.com/Pasow-Colourful-Reusable-Fastening-Organizer/dp/B0154MS9Q0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1472400232&sr=8-4&keywords=velcro+ties+for+cables
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Pam Kaye on August 28, 2016, 09:08:18 AM
Thanks, Sharon.

Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Karen Birdsong on August 28, 2016, 09:22:38 AM
There is so much information in the forum it is hard to keep up with I have never been able to figure out how Sharon keeps up.   

“Circle of Doom”

     I’m attaching a photo from a 5.25.15 post…hope it comes through, I have never tried an attachment to the forum before.

   Over the past 2 years there have been several strings about the alternative circle.  The first I recall was:
                         Dec 31, 2014 Sharon Nelson wrote in a post titled “EGC 2015”
   In a section labeled EXTREME HOOPERS: ……We are now looking at new ways to safely create the "hoop circle" with another option besides the lattice gates.  The expense of the gates and the amount of storage space and weight are the two biggest factors for clubs resisting the addition of X-Hoopers.  If we can offer other lighter weight and easier storage options, then X-Hoopers would be even more popular than it currently is.  I have now built several circles from x-pens with a foam tube on top and it is working quite nicely.  They stayed up better in the wind and were easy to safely stake.  We will continue to investigate the materials for the "circle" part that would be easier for the clubs.
    Post went on to say ….Our options for X-Hoopers is a safe way for clubs to be able to build the circle without the expense, storage and weight of the gates for the circle.
……X-Hoopers and Barrelers are here to stay.  We question the retention of X-Gaters and X-Chances.  X-Chances…….

         May 15, 2015 another string of posts about the x-pen circle was started titled Alternative “gate” circle.  Like other strings there were photos of the x-pen circle, but with time the attachments seem to be lost and we get “404 - Attachment Not Found”.   A photo tab in the media section to preserve such photos might be very useful.
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Karen Birdsong on August 28, 2016, 09:42:18 AM
Oops I see there is a section in the Media tab called "Hoop and Gate pictures" 

  Suggest changing this to Equipment Photos and add the X-Hoopers x-pen circle, velco straps, whiskers and other photos of that nature as they come along.
Title: Re: X-Hoopers 4 Gates vs 3
Post by: Sharon Nelson on August 28, 2016, 09:53:14 AM
Oops I see there is a section in the Media tab called "Hoop and Gate pictures" 

  Suggest changing this to Equipment Photos and add the X-Hoopers x-pen circle, velco straps, whiskers and other photos of that nature as they come along.

Good input!!

Sharon