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Title: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Amy McGovern on October 19, 2016, 06:00:54 PM
Sharon,

Linda McDougal posted this on Facebook today (but can't post here right now so she asked me to share it).  The building for champs looks to be in trouble :(  We wanted to make sure you knew in case it affects champs next year as lots of us are very excited that it is going back to Illinois!

http://farmprogress.com/story-illinois-state-fairgrounds-coliseum-condemned-9-148156
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Richard Wolfe on October 19, 2016, 06:58:30 PM
The State Fair is Aug 10-20.  Maybe that will inspire them to get the job done and we'll be fine!!!
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Sharon Nelson on October 19, 2016, 09:09:06 PM
Sharon,

Linda McDougal posted this on Facebook today (but can't post here right now so she asked me to share it).  The building for champs looks to be in trouble :(  We wanted to make sure you knew in case it affects champs next year as lots of us are very excited that it is going back to Illinois!

http://farmprogress.com/story-illinois-state-fairgrounds-coliseum-condemned-9-148156

Yes, thanks!  I love the NADAC community, as I got this almost immediately!  I really want to thank you for helping!

We called them immediately to let them know we want our huge deposit back and of course, they won't do that.  We used to put down $500 for a reservation deposit, but last year they wanted 10 times that in order to get dates.  We love that site, but they nickel and dime us worse than any site we have ever had championships.  We pay $14 an hour to have toilet paper in the potties!  And we can't do it ourselves as we aren't union.

It doesn't look like they take any of the funds and use it for maintenance!  The building hasn't had any maintenance on the coliseum since 1958.

I hope they get it repaired, but I don't actual expect that to happen unless they get a huge donation for an outside source.

Sharon
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Amy McGovern on October 20, 2016, 05:42:17 AM
Hopefully you can find a good backup spot!  I know a lot of midwest people are planning on champs given its location so hopefully a backup location is also mid-west?
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso on October 20, 2016, 08:56:13 AM
Hopefully you can find a good backup spot!  I know a lot of midwest people are planning on champs given its location so hopefully a backup location is also mid-west?

Both Indiana (Indianapolis) and Wisconsin have really nice facilities.  I don't know about the surface at the one in Indianapolis, but they do a lot of horse shows there, so I would assume it is pretty good.  From what I remember, Indiana Fairgrounds is very similar in setup to the one in Illinois in that it has the main Coloseum and lots of small building around it.  There is a building with horse stalls right next to it.  I have never been to the Wisconsin facility, but they hold a HUGE fair there every year, so I would assume it is similar.
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: mephalon on October 20, 2016, 12:27:45 PM
The Champions Center in Springfield OH is very nice as well-  big arena with attached stalls, outdoor covered pavilion and plenty of RV hookups.

Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Maureen deHaan on October 20, 2016, 01:59:12 PM
Hopefully, if you do have to move the location it wont go too much further west - lots of people from the east coast are planning on coming and personally, I already put myself in trouble at work (bc I'm  union and a teacher) by taking 5 school days off (which is against my union contract ) can't take more time to drive further west...

Hopefully everything will work out for the best - sites closer east would be great too :) 
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Sara Langston on October 20, 2016, 03:03:38 PM
Garrett Coliseum in Montgomery, Alabama, is really nice as well.  There are horse barns with stalls near the main building with other buildings that would work for crating.  The Southeast Livestock Championship Rodeo is held there every year as well as the Alabama National Fair.  Lots of livestock exhibits during the fair.  There is also a huge AKC confirmation dog show held there, however, their flooring is solid.  The rodeo, tractor pulls, monster truck shows, etc., are on dirt as would be the agility set ups.  Lots of crating space in the Coliseum as well as indoor bathrooms.  They have RV hook ups, but I am not sure if they are full service or not.  We would LOVE to have Champs come to Alabama.   

Sara
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: danforth on October 20, 2016, 05:39:20 PM
Ohio would be great for us.

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Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Tucker2010 on October 21, 2016, 09:04:05 PM
Gillette Wy. We had champs there and loved it. Great camping and showers.
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Sharon Nelson on October 21, 2016, 09:21:30 PM
Gillette Wy. We had champs there and loved it. Great camping and showers.

Gillette is not easterly enough!!

Sharon
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Heidi Konesko on October 24, 2016, 09:47:39 AM
Someone else also recommended Springfield, OH as a site to consider.
-Heidi
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Lorrie Stelz on October 24, 2016, 04:21:59 PM
as much as I dislike Tulsa, what about the State Fairgrounds there?  That's where they held AKC Nationals a few times.

I'd go for Ohio, too!!  :)
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Amy McGovern on October 25, 2016, 09:09:19 AM
Are the Kansas state fairgrounds too small?  The Hutch/Don Cuda Memorial trial was very nice and the location seems good.  Chris ran the trial since it was a fundraiser and he might know if it was big enough?
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Chris Nelson on October 25, 2016, 10:02:10 AM
Are the Kansas state fairgrounds too small?  The Hutch/Don Cuda Memorial trial was very nice and the location seems good.  Chris ran the trial since it was a fundraiser and he might know if it was big enough?
No not quite.   The ring is a little too small, not by much.   But mainly the facilities.   People have gotten spoiled with raised seating and all the other things that go along with Springfield and Salt Lake.  But I could always be wrong!
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: mephalon on October 25, 2016, 10:24:51 AM
And just adding that Kansas would bring the Champs much further west than Illinois (adding another two days of driving each way) which would knock out a lot of the East Coast people who are planning to attend- me included.   

I am very much looking forward to my first Champs (fingers crossed for completing my qualifications) and hope they stay in Illinois, comparable drive or even closer east :-).   

Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: dogrsqr on October 25, 2016, 10:48:16 AM
How about the Iowa State Fairgrounds?

http://www.iowastatefairgrounds.org/facilities/buildings/livestock-pavilion/

Gina
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Wild Terriers on October 25, 2016, 10:53:39 AM
I don't think Kansas is another 2 days driving each way - when I mapquest to Springfield, IL and Hutchinson, KS - it's about 5 1/2 hours farther. . . .   Not advocating for a particular site, but, Mary, don't get discouraged if it's in Kansas - to me it makes it a solid two day drive not a long one day or two short days. . . .

It seems to me that while we all have a preference where we would like Champs to be, but, I think we all need to realize that finding a place and dates is not easy even under the best of circumstances, and these are certainly not the best of circumstances. . . . . 

Karen and the Wild Terriers
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Sharon Nelson on October 25, 2016, 11:26:39 AM
How about the Iowa State Fairgrounds?

http://www.iowastatefairgrounds.org/facilities/buildings/livestock-pavilion/

Gina

The arena is on the small side, but not horribly too small.

Sharon
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Sharon Nelson on October 25, 2016, 11:38:19 AM
Someone else also recommended Springfield, OH as a site to consider.
-Heidi

It is possible, the arena is smaller than what we use, but possible, we would just have to downsize a bit.
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso on October 25, 2016, 01:19:01 PM
Someone else also recommended Springfield, OH as a site to consider.
-Heidi

It is possible, the arena is smaller than what we use, but possible, we would just have to downsize a bit.

I mentioned before, but it may have gotten missed, Indianapolis has a really nice arena too.  It seems to me it is near the same size as Illinois.  Raised seating and a nice building right across from it.
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: mephalon on October 25, 2016, 04:36:36 PM
I don't think Kansas is another 2 days driving each way - when I mapquest to Springfield, IL and Hutchinson, KS - it's about 5 1/2 hours farther. . . .   Not advocating for a particular site, but, Mary, don't get discouraged if it's in Kansas - to me it makes it a solid two day drive not a long one day or two short days. . . .

It seems to me that while we all have a preference where we would like Champs to be, but, I think we all need to realize that finding a place and dates is not easy even under the best of circumstances, and these are certainly not the best of circumstances. . . . . 

Karen and the Wild Terriers

Well according to what I mapped it is 9 hours longer for me and my drive- which is really what I base it on- not the distance from Springfield. 

I know we all have a preference but the fact is Kansas is much further west than Illinois and that was my point. 

I realize places are hard to find- heck finding places for a regular weekend trial are hard to find.  I don't believe I criticized anyone- I was just weighing in on a place someone mentioned and how it would affect some if us- which I believe is part of the forum. 

I am sure NADAC will do the best they can to find a place that works. 
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Chris on Mushtown Road on October 25, 2016, 06:03:24 PM
How about the Iowa State Fairgrounds?

http://www.iowastatefairgrounds.org/facilities/buildings/livestock-pavilion/

Gina

The arena is on the small side, but not horribly too small.

Sharon

It is a very nice arena, lots of natural light and the dirt is usually good. Crating on dirt in the same building. I did hear the rent went up and the AKC club moved their fall trial. 
Chris
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: MoabDiane on October 25, 2016, 07:25:04 PM
I don't know anything about the sites in the Midwest. But after all, Kansas is pretty much the geographic center of the country. Sure, there's an advantage to people that live nearby. But overall, it is a central as it gets!

Diane
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: knittingdog on October 26, 2016, 06:03:30 AM

Someone from Oklahoma chime in because I don't recall the name - there's the place in Edmond where we went to several trials and seminars.  It might work.  Not sure how far away the stalls are.

Circle ?
Diamond ?

Something like that.

Robin
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: knittingdog on October 26, 2016, 06:04:29 AM

Also the place in Murfreesboro where they have had Cynosport.  Don't know much else about that location either.

Robin

Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: SpringCrew on October 26, 2016, 06:06:44 AM
I think it was looked at before when we changed to Springfield,  Eden Park Equestrian Complex  2607 Blayney Road  Sunbury, OH 43074.  I believe the AKC held National there in 2004.  Been a long time since I was there.


http://www.edenparkequestrian.com/contactus/ (http://www.edenparkequestrian.com/contactus/)
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: knittingdog on October 26, 2016, 06:11:35 AM

Cynosport was at Tennessee Miller Coliseum. 

http://www.mtsu.edu/tmc/

Robin

Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: evlcek on October 26, 2016, 06:32:00 AM
Lexington va horse center.

Or livestock center at mtsu in murfreesboro tn. http://www.mtsu.edu/TLC/
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Marsha01 on October 26, 2016, 07:33:11 AM
The Missouri State fairground in Sedalia arena has stadium seating and is larger than the Kansas state fairgrounds arena.
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Sarah Fix on October 26, 2016, 07:59:18 AM
Western North Carolina Agricultural Center - many Nationals have been held there. Lots of camping, 600+ stalls, big arena, good flooring, plenty of seating, adjacent area for open crating or stalls for crating. Near Asheville - plenty of hotels, near the airport, good restaurants. Not far from I-26 and I-40 interchange. Blue Ridge Parkway - lots of tourist stuff.  Blue Grass Music, Mountain Crafts...

http://www.wncagcenter.org/
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: ampezz on October 26, 2016, 08:12:04 AM
My personal request  - I would request whatever venue be a cool temperature environment. We don't do well in heat, especially the long days of Champs.  Whether that means a little northeast or a venue with AC...either way. Good luck on the search. We're hoping to be there next year.
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Amy McGovern on October 26, 2016, 12:03:28 PM
The Oklahoma place that Robin asked for is called the Lazy E Arena:

http://www.lazye.com/home.asp

There was a big NADAC show there years ago (back when we could fill multi-ring shows).  We haven't been back there, probably because of the cost and the fact that shows rarely get even close to filling now.  It was a huge arena.

-Amy
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Smitty on October 26, 2016, 12:24:22 PM
Several others on FB and on here also have suggested Champions Center in Springfield, OH. We did the CPE nationals there this past June and it was very nice! Nice indoor dirt arena, covered outdoor dirt pavillion, lots of parking, plenty of RV parking, golf cart rentals available, nice concessions, great stalls for crating!
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: knittingdog on October 26, 2016, 01:07:53 PM

Thank you Amy.   :D
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Kyk9s on October 26, 2016, 02:46:19 PM
What about the Alltech arena at the KY horse park?  I can look into availability.
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Marj Vincent on October 26, 2016, 03:54:26 PM
Hi Folks,
NADAC sure appreciates all the suggestions for the 2017 Champs sites. Like some say....it takes a Village...

I do think it would help NADAC, if everyone did a bit of research prior to offering suggestions. I think the first thing would be to see if any of the dates at the end of Sept are even available for the suggested site. There is some leeway with dates, like last week in Sept thru the first week of Oct....which seems to be the recent time frame.

I know it would help also, if you could list the assets (ring size, description of crating area, seating, dates available etc) about each site you suggest in your post. So at a glance, the office can quickly decide to investigate your suggestion.

I know we had this same discussion back in April, and I have copied below some of the criteria needed for a NADAC CHAMPS.

We need a minimum of a clear span area of 125x300 arena floor, with raised seating, a large vendor area, and a good crating area.  Plus we need at least 125-150 RV spots with electric hookups as a minimum.

The crating area would need to be in another building or a separate enclosed area attached to the arena building.  I noticed some of the sites have stalls or open space suitable for crating within the same building as the arena and bleachers.....BUT....because each run is videoed by Three Pines Video, there can not be any other dogs barking, screaming or howling heard during the runs. And trust me, this happens all day long in the crating areas. I would hate to have a run ruined by another person's dog upsetting the dog in the ring or listen to a dog screaming because an owner took his second dog out, on my personal video.
NADAC tries to find locations where dogs can be crated indoors in another building. At Gillette there was an attached enclosed building with concrete floor space (with power) that worked great. Easy access to the arena but dogs were not heard out in the ring. At Illinois, the dogs were crated indoors in the horse stalls across the driveway from the arena.  In Utah, the dogs are crated in the stalls located next to the arena across the driveway, even though not fully enclosed in a building...not the best scenario but it worked okay.

There also needs to be an area for the vendors with power available.  Plus room for the awards/ribbon wall area (20'x30' space) and an area for the huge raffle that takes place (usually 12-15 tables are used for the raffle, a 15 x 30' area?), along with the works raffle and hospitality area. Ultimately, the vendors, awards and raffle area would like to be on concrete vs dirt. Dirt gets into and on everything! But if dirt is the only option, then we live with it!  It's not a deal breaker, just a desired wish.....
Arenas with upper mezzanine space similar to South Jordan Utah is the ultimate. So everyone working the raffle tables, and vendors can also watch their friends run.

Another requirement would be to have some grass available to potty dogs or exercise them.  The larger the better since this is going to be a week long event. If the grass area is too small, the 300+ attending dogs will destroy it and it will become a cesspool.

A food vendor on site is also a good thing!!

Also are there restaurants, and hotels nearby that take dogs and an airport within a reasonable driving distance.

All suggestions are appreciated!!
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Sharon Nelson on October 26, 2016, 06:03:52 PM
Hi Folks,
NADAC sure appreciates all the suggestions for the 2017 Champs sites. Like some say....it takes a Village...

I do think it would help NADAC, if everyone did a bit of research prior to offering suggestions. I think the first thing would be to see if any of the dates at the end of Sept are even available for the suggested site. There is some leeway with dates, like last week in Sept thru the first week of Oct....which seems to be the recent time frame.

I know it would help also, if you could list the assets (ring size, description of crating area, seating, dates available etc) about each site you suggest in your post. So at a glance, the office can quickly decide to investigate your suggestion.

I know we had this same discussion back in April, and I have copied below some of the criteria needed for a NADAC CHAMPS.

We need a minimum of a clear span area of 125x300 arena floor, with raised seating, a large vendor area, and a good crating area.  Plus we need at least 125-150 RV spots with electric hookups as a minimum.

The crating area would need to be in another building or a separate enclosed area attached to the arena building.  I noticed some of the sites have stalls or open space suitable for crating within the same building as the arena and bleachers.....BUT....because each run is videoed by Three Pines Video, there can not be any other dogs barking, screaming or howling heard during the runs. And trust me, this happens all day long in the crating areas. I would hate to have a run ruined by another person's dog upsetting the dog in the ring or listen to a dog screaming because an owner took his second dog out, on my personal video.
NADAC tries to find locations where dogs can be crated indoors in another building. At Gillette there was an attached enclosed building with concrete floor space (with power) that worked great. Easy access to the arena but dogs were not heard out in the ring. At Illinois, the dogs were crated indoors in the horse stalls across the driveway from the arena.  In Utah, the dogs are crated in the stalls located next to the arena across the driveway, even though not fully enclosed in a building...not the best scenario but it worked okay.

There also needs to be an area for the vendors with power available.  Plus room for the awards/ribbon wall area (20'x30' space) and an area for the huge raffle that takes place (usually 12-15 tables are used for the raffle, a 15 x 30' area?), along with the works raffle and hospitality area. Ultimately, the vendors, awards and raffle area would like to be on concrete vs dirt. Dirt gets into and on everything! But if dirt is the only option, then we live with it!  It's not a deal breaker, just a desired wish.....
Arenas with upper mezzanine space similar to South Jordan Utah is the ultimate. So everyone working the raffle tables, and vendors can also watch their friends run.

Another requirement would be to have some grass available to potty dogs or exercise them.  The larger the better since this is going to be a week long event. If the grass area is too small, the 300+ attending dogs will destroy it and it will become a cesspool.

A food vendor on site is also a good thing!!

Also are there restaurants, and hotels nearby that take dogs and an airport within a reasonable driving distance.

All suggestions are appreciated!!

Thank you Marj!

In the small amount of time I have available lately I have checked out a couple of the suggested sites.  None have the dates available and most are too small.  We do not run in the same sized ring as what works for AKC or CPE.  Just a different venue with a different set of criteria.  Some have just a roofed area for crating.

Also Springfield is still begging for us to stay there.  They have promised to enclose the pavilion if needed.  They have called every day trying to get us to stay there and are updating us with the planning committee meetings and such.  I don't necessarily trust "planned" construction promises, but Springfield isn't totally out yet.

Sharon
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Lorrie Stelz on October 27, 2016, 04:58:16 AM
Amy,

The reason there have been no trials in the Lazy E Arena in Oklahoma is they refuse to allow dogs in there anymore.  It's a horse arena and they don't allow dogs now.  It is a beautiful arena, though! 
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Kyk9s on October 27, 2016, 06:38:48 AM
Well crud Alltech in Lexington KY already booked with horse shows. FINGERS AND PAWS CROSSED THAT SPRINGFIELD STAYS A GO
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Wild Terriers on October 27, 2016, 03:38:58 PM
Well, I sure hope that if we get to stay in Springfield that they do something for NADAC this year and stop nickel and diming you to death!!! 

Karen
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Marsha01 on October 28, 2016, 03:35:20 PM
Probably not close enough, but the Virginia Horse Center, appears to have everything requested. http://www.horsecenter.org/Facility-Info/Anderson-Coliseum.aspx  ---  Was not able to reach anyone to see about dates since it is Friday night.


Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Sharon Nelson on October 28, 2016, 04:13:54 PM
Probably not close enough, but the Virginia Horse Center, appears to have everything requested. http://www.horsecenter.org/Facility-Info/Anderson-Coliseum.aspx  ---  Was not able to reach anyone to see about dates since it is Friday night.

That is a great site!  I have tried them many times in the past 15 years and they have never had the end-Sept, first of Oct available.  Maybe 2017 could be the year!

Sharon
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: MichelleWhall on November 03, 2016, 04:26:43 PM
I really hope that we do not end up in a closed in Pavilion in Springfield. I cannot imagine having championships run there. I hate to say it but if it ends up being the Pavilion I think there are several of us from the Northeast that probably will not make the trip.
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Maureen deHaan on November 04, 2016, 08:19:46 AM
I really hope that we do not end up in a closed in Pavilion in Springfield. I cannot imagine having championships run there. I hate to say it but if it ends up being the Pavilion I think there are several of us from the Northeast that probably will not make the trip.

Maybe you should qualify this with several people from NEW ENGLAND  - bc NY, NJ and PA  people may not share your opinions

 
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: mephalon on November 04, 2016, 08:29:32 AM
Not sure what part of the Northeast you are talking about but people in my area (NJ/NY) are still planning on going even if in the pavilion.



Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: MoabDiane on November 04, 2016, 09:52:25 AM
Everyone has their criteria - surface, surface, surface, and oh yeah, distance from home, RV sites, etc. etc. etc.

But VA is way too far east, IMHO.  I like having Champs some distance inland from each coast - sure, someone is always going to be "closer." 
But far east, far west - it's too far for too many folks!

Back to playing with my dogs,
diane
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Marcy Matties on November 04, 2016, 10:45:54 AM
No way to satisfy everyone with locations because one persons "too far" is another person's "ok, a bit of a drive but I'm up for it..."  But it does seem like splitting into just two halves - east and west - really limits who you see at each Champs.  My suggestion for consideration is divide the nation into 3 parts.  Then try to find a spot in the middle of each of those areas for a 3 year rotation rather than a 2 year rotation.  I know finding those "spots" isn't an easy task.  But if people know that "next year" Champs is going to be somewhere in the middle between "X" and "Y" then that helps narrow down the possibilities that need checking out.  And based on all of the posts so far, there are LOTS of possibilities - depending on dates and lots of other factors of course.

So say for arguments sake, draw a line from east Montana down through east New Mexico for the west third.  Utah was a good middle spot for that third.  Then draw a line from the west side of Montana down through west New Mexico and the other line from say Iowa down through Louisiana.  Lots of middle spots for this third section - South Dakota, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, etc.  Then use that Iowa Louisiana line to determine the East third and you've got central spots in Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, etc.

Depending on where people lived in relation to these central areas, many people could more easily do Champs at least 2 out of every 3 years.

As for investigating probably locations, I'm betting that there are a couple of people in each of those areas who are "Champs" experienced and who Sharon would trust with doing preliminary groundwork to determine places with appropriate size, dates, surfaces, crating, seating, cost, air conditioned/heated, etc.  That small "committee" could really narrow down the choices for NADAC to decide on.  And people could funnel their suggestions to that "committee."  3 small committees - one for each third of the states.  Take some of the load off of NADAC with people who know what to look for.  Then let NADAC take that info and make the best choice.

Just my 2 cents - change available  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Sharon Nelson on November 04, 2016, 10:52:38 AM
No way to satisfy everyone with locations because one persons "too far" is another person's "ok, a bit of a drive but I'm up for it..."  But it does seem like splitting into just two halves - east and west - really limits who you see at each Champs.  My suggestion for consideration is divide the nation into 3 parts.  Then try to find a spot in the middle of each of those areas for a 3 year rotation rather than a 2 year rotation.  I know finding those "spots" isn't an easy task.  But if people know that "next year" Champs is going to be somewhere in the middle between "X" and "Y" then that helps narrow down the possibilities that need checking out.  And based on all of the posts so far, there are LOTS of possibilities - depending on dates and lots of other factors of course.

So say for arguments sake, draw a line from east Montana down through east New Mexico for the west third.  Utah was a good middle spot for that third.  Then draw a line from the west side of Montana down through west New Mexico and the other line from say Iowa down through Louisiana.  Lots of middle spots for this third section - South Dakota, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, etc.  Then use that Iowa Louisiana line to determine the East third and you've got central spots in Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, etc.

Depending on where people lived in relation to these central areas, many people could more easily do Champs at least 2 out of every 3 years.

As for investigating probably locations, I'm betting that there are a couple of people in each of those areas who are "Champs" experienced and who Sharon would trust with doing preliminary groundwork to determine places with appropriate size, dates, surfaces, crating, seating, cost, air conditioned/heated, etc.  That small "committee" could really narrow down the choices for NADAC to decide on.  And people could funnel their suggestions to that "committee."  3 small committees - one for each third of the states.  Take some of the load off of NADAC with people who know what to look for.  Then let NADAC take that info and make the best choice.

Just my 2 cents - change available  ;) ;)

Good input!

Sharon
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: paschi22 on November 07, 2016, 11:36:39 AM
Another option could be the Alliant Energy Center in Madison, WI. They may already be booked but they do lots of ag and horse events there. Multiple building options I believe. https://www.alliantenergycenter.com/

Pam
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Vicki Storrs on November 08, 2016, 05:14:09 AM
The Alliant center would appear to be too small, both the arena (85' x 200') and the Coliseum (105' x 220').
Vicki
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Sharon Nelson on November 08, 2016, 09:05:36 AM
Eden Park in Sunbury, OH looks interesting.
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Chris Nelson on November 08, 2016, 10:07:47 AM
We are VERY tentatively considering Eden Park in Sunbury, OH.    Have to get some more details from them and then we might have another little issue to overcome that the exhibitors could help out with.  Should know more in the next few days
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Sharon Nelson on November 08, 2016, 10:12:20 AM
We are VERY tentatively considering Eden Park in Sunbury, OH.    Have to get some more details from them and then we might have another little issue to overcome that the exhibitors could help out with.  Should know more in the next few days

Great!  Keep us posted, nice location!
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Wild Terriers on November 08, 2016, 10:32:09 AM
Eden looks amazing!!! 

Karen
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Bernie Doyle on November 08, 2016, 10:45:00 AM
Well, if I can't get there in 3 1/2 hours, a 5 1/2 hour drive will work!! Still hoping for Springfield, but we can travel to OH too!!!

Bernie and the blue dogs
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: mephalon on November 08, 2016, 10:51:18 AM
Place looks awesome.   Fingers, toes, and paws crossed!

M
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Rosemary on November 08, 2016, 11:54:26 AM
It does look really nice!  Paws crossed!
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: lbhuntley on November 09, 2016, 04:55:41 AM
Eden looks wonderful. Indoor HEATED coliseum??? Oh, yeah. Hope the details can be worked out.
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: dogrsqr on November 09, 2016, 06:28:26 AM
So is Springfield out for sure?

Gina Pizzo
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Chris Nelson on November 09, 2016, 07:44:16 AM
We're about 90% sure that Springfield is out.  They won't have an inspection of the building until december.  And then they will need to come up with the funds to fix it, plus the time to get it fixed.

Not to say it won't get done.  But it's too big of a risk on our end.  If it doesn't it would be a very uncomfortable event in the covered arena.   

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Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Roger Coor on November 09, 2016, 09:57:53 AM
Time to cancel motel reservations then.
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Sandy Langan on November 09, 2016, 02:32:50 PM
Are the dates going to stay the same no matter where you go? Or is that up in the air yet too? Sandy L
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Sharon Nelson on November 09, 2016, 02:35:50 PM
Are the dates going to stay the same no matter where you go? Or is that up in the air yet too? Sandy L

Chris will have the final answer, but the same dates for Eden Park are available.

Sharon
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Foomin Z on November 30, 2016, 06:50:17 PM
Any updates on this?
Title: Re: Illinois fairgrounds
Post by: Maureen deHaan on December 01, 2016, 02:17:17 AM
Look under General Discussion 2017 Champs Location Update