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Title: champs requirements
Post by: giddyup on December 24, 2016, 06:12:55 PM
Hi,  Just want to verify I'm understanding requirements for 2017 Champs
(I've never been before, so bear with me!  :P
 
Pre Elite
  *100 lifetime points, any class, any level
  *100 points in Regular, any level (if you earn more than 100 in elite regular, you must enter elite, not pre elite)
  *20 point in X-Hoopers and level

Elite
  *200 lifetime points, any class, any level
  *100 points in Elite Regular
  *20 points in Eilite Jumpers
  *20 points in Elite Chances
  *20 points in Elite Tunnelers
  *20 points in Elite Touch n Go
  *20 points in Elite Weavers
  *20 points in X-Hoopers, any level

all these between Aug 1, 2016-July 31, 2017

Please let me know if this is right or if I'm wrong on any of it.
Also, what actual classes are run at Champs?  (told you I'm new to this!)

Thanks so much for your help!
Jill
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Vicki Storrs on December 24, 2016, 06:38:48 PM
According to the premium (it's on the NADAC.com site) you have a few things incorrect.

For Regular Champs requirements (not pre elite) for current year points requirements the premium does NOT require any points in Touch and Go, Tunnelers, or Weavers, only Regular, Jumpers and Chances and the points can be from EITHER Open or Elite (X Hoopers can be from any level).

For pre elite, you have to have 100 REGULAR CLASS points in the current year (that is August 1, 2016-July 31, 2017) from any/all levels, however you cannot have MORE than 100 Elite level points and the cut off date for going over 100 Elite regular points is September 15, 2017.  There is no 100 points any class any level requirement (your first bullet point).
Vicki
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: giddyup on December 24, 2016, 07:14:41 PM
Thanks Vicki. So for Pre Elite you just need 100 points in regular, any level?  Don't you also need 20 points in X-Hoopers?  What about the 20 points each in Jumpers and Chances?
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Vicki Storrs on December 25, 2016, 04:39:49 AM
I didn't mention those two points because you had that correct on your list 😀

The premium lists no other class requirements (like jumpers or chances) for pre elite except for the 20 X Hoopers points earned during the current year in any level.

You also didn't mention it, perhaps because it doesn't apply to you, but there are also veteran (any dog over 7 on August 1, 2017 must be entered as a vet) and double digit (any dog over 10 on the first day of Champs must be entered as double digit) provisions.  How it will work is that there WILL be separate divisions for these dogs (vet and double digit) in regular Champs but there would only be separate classes for them in pre elite IF the numbers are large enough, which is probably unlikely (since many/most dogs this age will have too many points to be Eligible for pre elite).  And then there are the Stakes divisions, for the bigger distance, bonus line type dogs and handlers.

AND I totally missed your last question!  Sorry!  They do NOT run separate "classes" during actual Champs.  There are two runs for each dog each day on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday and for sure one run on Sunday morning.  Sunday afternoon's run is "finals" and roughly the top third in each division are the only ones to run.  The runs may have "themes," for example Thursday mornings run may have more tunnels, Friday afternoon may have more weaves (never more than twelve, you just might do them a time or two more) and one run will undoubtedly have a hoop circle. But they are not named, separate classes like at a normal trial. 
Now there IS pre champs, which essentially IS a normal type trial, running this year I think on Tuesday and Wednesday before Champs start on Thursday.  So if you want to arrive a day or two early you have the option of running in that.  You can pick a class or two to "get your feet wet" or run them all, and it's also useful if, like many, you need to bring the "other" dog (or two!) who didn't qualify for Champs to give them something to do and expose them to the slightly different atmosphere of a Champs location--cuz they'll probably be ready to go for the next Champs, right? 😛

It's a new location for Everybody (NADAC and competitors) this year, which could be Fantastic or might have a few bumps (I know I will miss the wonderful food vendor at the Coliseum in Springfield--as much for the nice people who worked there as for the food, and the welcoming staff at the motel, who would open the breakfast up early just for us dog people who had to leave before it would normally open).  But regardless, I KNOW it will be fun!  If you have the chance, do it!
Vicki
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Maureen deHaan on December 25, 2016, 06:30:28 AM
This is copied directly from the NADAC website and clearly lists requirements - hope it helps:

Qualification Requirements:

Regular Agility:

Regular Agility, Elite level, Proficient/Skilled: at least 200 points must have been earned in the dog's lifetime. These points may have come from any/all classes offered in NADAC, with the following requirements:

1. At least 100 points must have been earned be earned in the current year from the Regular Agility class at the Open or Elite level.

2. At least 20 points must have been earned in the current year,at the Open or Elite level,in both Jumpers and Chances.

3. At least 20 points must have been earned in the current year at any level in X-Hoopers.

4. If a dog is over 7 on August 1, 2017, then they MUST enter the Veterans division. If a dog is over 10 on the first day of the Championships, then they will be entered into the Double Digit division.

Pre Elite

1. At least 100 points must have been earned be earned in the current year from the Regular Agility class. A dog entered in Pre-Elite cannot have earned more than 100 points in Elite Regular in their lifetime up to September 15, 2017. If a dog earns more than 100 points in Elite Regular, then their entry will be switched to the Elite level.

2. If a dog is over 7 on August 1, 2017, then they MUST enter the Veterans division. If a dog is over 10 on the first day of the Championships, then they will be entered into the Double Digit division.Veterans may or may not be split into a different division in Pre-Elite, depending upon entry numbers. If not split, then all dogs jumping at the same height will be scored together.

3. 3. At least 20 points must have been earned in the current year at any level in X-Hoopers.


Stakes Entries

1. For entry into the Starter Stakes division the dog must have earned at least two 15 point distance challenge qualifiers, or one Regular bonus in the current year.

2. For entry into the Silver Stakes division the dog must have earned a minimum of 75 bonus points with at least one 20 point bonus/distance challenge in Regular OR two 15 point bonuses/distance challenges in Regular in the current year.

3. For entry into the Super Stakes division the dog must have earned a minimum of 120 bonus points with a minimum of two 25+ point bonuses in Regular in the current year with both of those being with a run index of over 100.

4. For each run of Regular Agility, there could be several bonus areas set on each course, for which the dog will earn points for successful sequences performed at a distance that will count towards his overall Stakes points for the entire competition week. The degree of distance will change with each level. The dogs will be allowed to jump at the same jump height as they are on a regular weekend trial, including any height reductions for Veterans, and Jr, Handlers. Dogs will be placed with all dogs in their Standard division jump height.

5. The distance requirements for the bonus areas could be greater than the distance tests on regular trial weekends. This class will highlight the dog/handler teamís ability to do exceptional distance handling skills and obstacle performance skills.

Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Ed and Dino on December 26, 2016, 08:23:07 AM
So to use your different format of stating just the point/Q requirements, I've modified it below.

Hi,  Just want to verify I'm understanding requirements for 2017 Champs
 
Pre Elite
  *100 points in Regular, any level (if you earn more than 100 in elite regular by 9/15/17, must enter elite)
  *20 point in X-Hoopers any level

Elite
  *200 lifetime points in any class, any level
  *100 points in Elite/Open Regular between Aug 1, 2016-July 31, 2017
  *2 Qs in Elite/Open Jumpers between Aug 1, 2016-July 31, 2017
  *2 Qs in Elite/Open Chances between Aug 1, 2016-July 31, 2017
  *20 points in X-Hoopers, any level between Aug 1, 2016-July 31, 2017


The only requirement at the Regular Agility level that is a bit confusing is the 200 lifetime points from any/all classes. I believe your / mine interpretation is the points can be from any where. So to meet them and the other listed current year requirements, It is possible to have 90 points from Novice, 3 Qs in Reg, Chances and Jumpers to make Open level and possibly 2 Intro Qs for X-hoopers and then other current year requirements, easily makes more than 200 lifetime points.
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Foomin Z on January 01, 2017, 12:27:41 PM
Do the current-year required point totals need to be from only skilled or only proficient, or can it be a mix?

For example, can 10 open/elite jumpers points be from skilled and 10 open/elite jumpers points be from proficient?
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Sharon Nelson on January 01, 2017, 12:32:42 PM
Do the current-year required point totals need to be from only skilled or only proficient, or can it be a mix?

For example, can 10 open/elite jumpers points be from skilled and 10 open/elite jumpers points be from proficient?

Skilled and Proficient are combined in NADAC for everything NADAC.

Sharon
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Laura A Henrich on January 08, 2017, 04:57:00 PM
Another question regarding 2017 Champs requirements ...

Do skilled dogs need to have a measurement height card filled out by judges prior to champs?  This wasn't required in 2015 but I thought I heard it was a requirement in 2016.

Thanks
Laura & Tobi
NJ
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 09, 2017, 06:06:06 AM
Another question regarding 2017 Champs requirements ...

Do skilled dogs need to have a measurement height card filled out by judges prior to champs?  This wasn't required in 2015 but I thought I heard it was a requirement in 2016.

Thanks
Laura & Tobi
NJ

What we're going to do this year is just verify that your height in our database is correct.  So for Toby we have his height listed at 22", which makes it easy since you're so far over 18 there is no question :)

But if someone had a dog and when they registered they listed the height at 17", then fluffy McDoodle went through a growth spurt and he's now 19", if we didn't get the updated height info we would have that dog running in the wrong place.   

So we just need to verify the info we have, but an actual height card won't be necessary.

So the short answer is if you're confident that your dog really is 17" then you're all good.   If you aren't confident then ask a judge to measure them and let us know the final result, but no height card submission. :)
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Rosemary on January 09, 2017, 07:37:41 AM
This may be a silly question, but do skilled and proficient dogs run against each other at champs?  By that I mean, do dogs who run 12" proficient compete evenly with dogs that run12" skilled?
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 09, 2017, 08:04:44 AM
This last year we did it by dogs shoulder height, and it worked wonderfully!   So a dog that measures 17" at the shoulders will be running against dogs in that same range :)
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Rosemary on January 09, 2017, 08:54:45 AM
Perfect!  Tahnks for the quick response.
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Sharon Nelson on January 09, 2017, 02:00:37 PM
Another question regarding 2017 Champs requirements ...

Do skilled dogs need to have a measurement height card filled out by judges prior to champs?  This wasn't required in 2015 but I thought I heard it was a requirement in 2016.

Thanks
Laura & Tobi
NJ

We had to measure dogs for 2016 since we changed the groupings to be grouped by shoulder height.  Therefore it was extremely important that dogs be correctly measured into their correct wicketed groups.  We did require a measurement card so no heights could be challenged at the event.  The worst scenario is for a dog to be questioned at the event and have to redo all of the catalogs, running orders, placements and make someone jump a different height.  So, yes, we did require a height card for all dogs entered in the champs, whether in Skilled or Proficient.  It worked really great and everyone loved the new groupings used!

Sharon
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Vicki Storrs on January 09, 2017, 03:14:59 PM
But if we're in the "obviously over 20"" it isn't necessary is it?  Don't want to make the judges do unnecessary work...
Vicki
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Sharon Nelson on January 09, 2017, 04:03:41 PM
But if we're in the "obviously over 20"" it isn't necessary is it?  Don't want to make the judges do unnecessary work...
Vicki

No, any dog over 18" would never need to be measured.

Sharon
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Maureen deHaan on January 19, 2017, 02:53:09 AM


We had to measure dogs for 2016 since we changed the groupings to be grouped by shoulder height.  Therefore it was extremely important that dogs be correctly measured into their correct wicketed groups.  We did require a measurement card so no heights could be challenged at the event.  The worst scenario is for a dog to be questioned at the event and have to redo all of the catalogs, running orders, placements and make someone jump a different height.  So, yes, we did require a height card for all dogs entered in the champs, whether in Skilled or Proficient.  It worked really great and everyone loved the new groupings used!

Sharon
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So Sharon - if we run in skilled and don't have height cards - you'd like us to get a height card before champs? ANd is the standard height card or do you need something that says EXACTLY what her height is? most of us use wickets not actual rulers

Just checking bc I have never had a dog measured as I run skilled in "everyday life"  and getting Zoe measured is going to be incredibly stressful for her so I need to start getting her used to it

Thanks
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 19, 2017, 08:50:44 AM
Maureen,

We're going to create a new form, which is basically a judges certification that your dog measures into a specific height.   But it doesn't require multiple signatures and it also won't require the $10 fee of a regular height card.

It will be attached along with the premium when we get it released here this month.
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: danforth on January 19, 2017, 09:00:38 AM
Chris,

Do we need that even if we have a signature card?

Isabel

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Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: KarissaKS on January 19, 2017, 09:27:16 AM
I don't suppose a height card from another venue with a specific measurement stated on it would be accepted?
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 19, 2017, 09:34:43 AM
Chris,

Do we need that even if we have a signature card?

Isabel

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Height card?

If you have a height card then you're all good :)
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 19, 2017, 09:36:46 AM
I don't suppose a height card from another venue with a specific measurement stated on it would be accepted?

I would have to run it by everyone and see what they think.
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Sharon Nelson on January 19, 2017, 10:57:20 AM
I don't suppose a height card from another venue with a specific measurement stated on it would be accepted?

No, we do not accept height measurements from other venues.

Sharon
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Maureen deHaan on January 21, 2017, 05:41:50 AM
Thanks Chris  - that makes it easy!
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Bostondirtdogs07 on January 29, 2017, 07:07:17 PM
Champs qualifications state 20 points in any level of Xhoopers....  it appears this would have to include Intro.  Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: KarissaKS on January 29, 2017, 07:10:27 PM
Please see the main forum for the announcement that x-hoopers is going away. The Champs requirements will be updated to say two rounds of hoopers, which could be numbered hoopers, x-hoopers earned prior to the class being merged with regular hoopers in April, or the version coming in April that does not involve gates/x-pens. It has been stated that these can be from any level.
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Sara Langston on January 30, 2017, 06:18:05 AM
Please see the main forum for the announcement that x-hoopers is going away. The Champs requirements will be updated to say two rounds of hoopers, which could be numbered hoopers, x-hoopers earned prior to the class being merged with regular hoopers in April, or the version coming in April that does not involve gates/x-pens. It has been stated that these can be from any level.

Where can I find this announcement about x-hoopers going away????  I seem to have missed that.  Thanks.

Sara
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso on January 30, 2017, 08:08:35 AM
Please see the main forum for the announcement that x-hoopers is going away. The Champs requirements will be updated to say two rounds of hoopers, which could be numbered hoopers, x-hoopers earned prior to the class being merged with regular hoopers in April, or the version coming in April that does not involve gates/x-pens. It has been stated that these can be from any level.

Where can I find this announcement about x-hoopers going away????  I seem to have missed that.  Thanks.

Sara

It is on the forum and also on the NADAC facebook page.
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Rosemary on February 18, 2017, 11:12:59 AM
I apologize if I'm being dim.  I have a dog who measures just about 15" at the shoulder. I have him jump 12" skilled. Do I have to jumpe him at 16" at champs? 
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Vicki Storrs on February 18, 2017, 11:28:52 AM
I know you can still enter as skilled and/or vet/VH/JH and get the height reductions you want, if you want.  So you can enter your 15" dog in proficient and jump 16", as skilled OR as vet/VH/JH and jump 12" OR as skilled AND vet/VH/JH and jump 8"
Just remember your "just about 15"" dog needs to be measured even if running in Skilled (for Champs only).  The form is on the NADAC.com website in the Champs section and I imagine it will be a lot easier if you get it done ahead of time.
Vicki Storrs
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Chris Nelson on February 18, 2017, 12:48:21 PM
I apologize if I'm being dim.  I have a dog who measures just about 15" at the shoulder. I have him jump 12" skilled. Do I have to jumpe him at 16" at champs? 

You can jump 12" no problem!    For placements and scoring you will be competing against dogs who measure between 14" and 18".
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: kellycastle on February 23, 2017, 06:17:35 AM
I know this topic has been talked about a lot but just want to verify a qualification point.
So, my dog has a total (right now) of 95 points in Regular agility, 30 from Novice, 30 from Open and 35 from Elite if I stop right there at 95 points she will be able to enter the Pre-Elite class at Champs, correct?
She has also earned her points needed in XHoopers.
Thanks a bunch!
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Marcy Matties on February 23, 2017, 07:42:17 AM
I know this topic has been talked about a lot but just want to verify a qualification point.
So, my dog has a total (right now) of 95 points in Regular agility, 30 from Novice, 30 from Open and 35 from Elite if I stop right there at 95 points she will be able to enter the Pre-Elite class at Champs, correct?
She has also earned her points needed in XHoopers.
Thanks a bunch!

Not exactly.  You need 100 points in Regular for the current year (Aug 1 - Aug 1) - any level.  And you can have up to 100 points in ELITE Regular over the dog's lifetime.  Just not MORE than 100 points in ELITE regular.  So no need to stop running Elite Regular until you get to 100 points. 

So assuming your current total of Regular points has been earned in this year, you still need at least another 5 regular points (any level).  And after that you can still accumulate Elite points until you reach 100 and can still enter Pre-elite.  Just don't go OVER 100 Elite points.
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: MikeM on March 01, 2017, 12:14:31 PM
The way I read the requirements, if your dog has 100 Elite regular points it cannot enter Pre-Elite, but if it does not have 20 Chances points in Open or Elite it cannot enter Regular Champs. So if my dog has over 100 Elite regular points but not the chances points it cannot enter Champs at all? This might actually apply to one of my dogs unless I drop her from elite real soon.
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Heidi Konesko on March 02, 2017, 05:24:47 AM
just trying to figure out if it's possible for a dog to qualify himself out of Pre elite by earning too many elite reg points during the year, thereby putting his lifetime elite reg points over 100, but still not have enough elite/open reg points earned during the current year to run in elite at champs. 
Heidi in NH
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Chris Nelson on March 02, 2017, 09:15:55 AM
The way I read the requirements, if your dog has 100 Elite regular points it cannot enter Pre-Elite, but if it does not have 20 Chances points in Open or Elite it cannot enter Regular Champs. So if my dog has over 100 Elite regular points but not the chances points it cannot enter Champs at all? This might actually apply to one of my dogs unless I drop her from elite real soon.

That is correct.   Dropping her would also not help in this case as those 100 points are lifetime, not yearly.

just trying to figure out if it's possible for a dog to qualify himself out of Pre elite by earning too many elite reg points during the year, thereby putting his lifetime elite reg points over 100, but still not have enough elite/open reg points earned during the current year to run in elite at champs. 
Heidi in NH

It definitely is.  If that does happen then second chance entries would be your best bet.
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: MikeM on March 02, 2017, 10:02:06 AM
Seems odd to have a "No Dog's Land" between Regular and Pre-Elite, but I will plan accordingly. The dog in question won't be competitive at either level, so it is just a matter of having something for her to do.
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Peter Vogel on March 03, 2017, 01:41:59 PM
In trying to qualify for a stakes entry, I noticed my dog earned Distance Challenge Q's in a couple of runs at Champs last year.  Given that the time frame is in the window this years qualifying window, can we use those Distance Challenge points to qualify for this years Challenge Stakes or Silver Stakes?
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: danforth on March 03, 2017, 04:19:21 PM
Do any champs run count toward any 'normal' NADAC award or title?   Or towards life time points?

Isabel
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Peter Vogel on March 03, 2017, 04:38:11 PM
Isabel,

Yes - runs during CHAMPS, if they meet the criteria, can earn a 10 point "Q" in the regular class.
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Chris Nelson on March 05, 2017, 06:20:19 PM
In trying to qualify for a stakes entry, I noticed my dog earned Distance Challenge Q's in a couple of runs at Champs last year.  Given that the time frame is in the window this years qualifying window, can we use those Distance Challenge points to qualify for this years Challenge Stakes or Silver Stakes?

Yup!  Bonuses earned at champs do count towards your total for the following year.
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: RebeccaU on April 21, 2017, 11:07:08 AM
Is the Height Verification form for 2017 NADAC Championships still a requirement?  I did not attend Champs in Utah last year.
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Chris Nelson on April 21, 2017, 02:16:51 PM
Is the Height Verification form for 2017 NADAC Championships still a requirement?  I did not attend Champs in Utah last year.

It is a requirement for this year.

Unless your dog is in the 20 inch group, then it's sort of redundant and we don't need it :)   Or if you have a height card already, then we don't need it.
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: evlcek on April 26, 2017, 04:09:57 PM
As for the height measurements for champs , could we use an akc jump height card? 
Title: Re: champs requirements
Post by: Chris Nelson on April 26, 2017, 08:12:06 PM
As for the height measurements for champs , could we use an akc jump height card? 

It's always been our policy that we don't accept other venue paperwork, since they also don't accept ours.  So we'll stick to that :)