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Past Championships discussions => 2017 General Championships Discussion => Topic started by: Sharon Nelson on April 24, 2017, 06:56:03 PM

Title: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Sharon Nelson on April 24, 2017, 06:56:03 PM
Several people have been asking and Chris and I are discussing the option of a Western Regional Oct. 10-15 for those from the west coast that can't make it to the Ohio Championships.  Chris is hosting the Championships in Ohio and I would host the Western Regional in ?????.  I am looking at Reno, NV, Phoenix, AZ and Southern CA right now.  Open for input, but those are about the only dates that work for me.  Location is open.

Not set yet and I am looking at several locations, but it is in the discussion stage right now.  Nothing in concrete!

Sharon
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Deni on April 24, 2017, 08:04:05 PM
Those of us in West planning to go to Champs might opt for a closer Regional instead. Of course it would depend on specifics, but with dates that close to Champs it would be difficult decision.

Denise
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: danforth on April 24, 2017, 08:14:22 PM
Sharon,

Does thirteen that you will not be at Champs in Ohio?  Cocoa and I were looking forward to meeting you in person.

Isabel

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Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: danforth on April 24, 2017, 08:15:04 PM
oops.  should be this, not thirteen.

Isabel

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Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: MoabDiane on April 24, 2017, 08:49:01 PM
Just a question (and not a complaint!) - based on my (gulp) "other venue" knowledge, a Regional competition is usually a step towards a national competition. 
Would this be a "separate but equal" kind of competition?  Or something different?  Or simply a "bigger than usual weekend" event for those unable to travel to the national/international one?

Another venue (in which I do NOT participate) actually awards something like a Western Champion and an Eastern Champion (and because I've never gone, that may not be quite right....).
That always seemed kinda weird to me.  I *totally* get the idea that not everyone can spend days (or bucks) traveling long distances.  But that, to me, means there is no national champion.
Just....well, different.

Following!

diane
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Peter Vogel on April 24, 2017, 08:49:44 PM
I love the idea!!!  I hate miss Champs (I've been to the last 5) but Ohio is such a long drive.  If you hold a Western Regional, I will be there!
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Sharon Nelson on April 24, 2017, 09:12:37 PM
Just a question (and not a complaint!) - based on my (gulp) "other venue" knowledge, a Regional competition is usually a step towards a national competition. 
Would this be a "separate but equal" kind of competition?  Or something different?  Or simply a "bigger than usual weekend" event for those unable to travel to the national/international one?

Another venue (in which I do NOT participate) actually awards something like a Western Champion and an Eastern Champion (and because I've never gone, that may not be quite right....).
That always seemed kinda weird to me.  I *totally* get the idea that not everyone can spend days (or bucks) traveling long distances.  But that, to me, means there is no national champion.
Just....well, different.

Following!

diane

That is a perfect description:

simply a "bigger than usual weekend" event for those unable to travel to the national/international one?

it would not be another champs event.  It would be a fun 4 day weekend together with the social perks!

Sharon

Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Sharon Nelson on April 24, 2017, 09:13:07 PM
Those of us in West planning to go to Champs might opt for a closer Regional instead. Of course it would depend on specifics, but with dates that close to Champs it would be difficult decision.

Denise

I would think it is a no-brainer!!  Go to Champs!!!

Sharon
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Foomin Z on April 24, 2017, 09:53:05 PM
So in 2018 you will reciprocate and offer "eastern regional," right?
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Sharon Nelson on April 24, 2017, 09:57:31 PM
So in 2018 you will reciprocate and offer "eastern regional," right?

Correct!

Sharon
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: giddyup on April 24, 2017, 10:23:59 PM
Will the "eastern Regional" actually be in the EAST?  Like NOT Illinois or Ohio?  Like actually East?  MA, NY, PA, etc?
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Sharon Nelson on April 24, 2017, 11:11:42 PM
Will the "eastern Regional" actually be in the EAST?  Like NOT Illinois or Ohio?  Like actually East?  MA, NY, PA, etc?

I am not sure I understand the negativity, but yes.   Nevada is not on the west "coast" but western people are eager for Nevada.  Ohio is one state from the east coast. (6 hours from Baltimore).

There are great sites in Georgia also, which is very easterly.  There is certainly time to have some great positive discussions on locations!

Sharon
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: dogrsqr on April 25, 2017, 07:58:08 AM
I think at least half of the US would consider Ohio to be east.  I live in Minnesota and this years champs would be an 11 1/2 hour drive for me.  The geographical center of the US is Lebanon, KS .... west of where I live.  Then there's also north and south which adds distance.  Gillette is not west to people who live in Nevada either, but it's west to most of us.  I think the general gist is to try to make it more central east and central west so that you might attract not only the coastal folks.

Gina Pizzo
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on April 25, 2017, 08:32:40 AM
I think at least half of the US would consider Ohio to be east.  I live in Minnesota and this years champs would be an 11 1/2 hour drive for me.  The geographical center of the US is Lebanon, KS .... west of where I live.  Then there's also north and south which adds distance.  Gillette is not west to people who live in Nevada either, but it's west to most of us.  I think the general gist is to try to make it more central east and central west so that you might attract not only the coastal folks.

Gina Pizzo
Just my 2 cents worth - I live in Virginia, definitely EAST.  I have driven to Utah twice because I wanted to go to Champs!  I saved all year to be able to afford it and it was important enough to me to make the trip.  I am thrilled Champs will be in Ohio this year, but I will again drive to Gillett if I have dogs eligible.  I have to agree with Diane that we either have Regionals and Champs or Champs with a great long weekend.  It doesn't make sense to me to try to have both.  I appreciate Sharon's effort to try to have something for everyone and maybe some people might be able to do both.
Linda & the Daxes
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Rsquared on April 25, 2017, 08:41:21 AM
Sounds like fun (assuming that I have dogs who are still running).
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Chris Nelson on April 25, 2017, 09:19:36 AM
I think an important part here is that we don't expect people to do both events!   I would honestly almost lean in the direction of NOT allowing it whatsoever.

The regional, or whatever it ends up getting called.  Should just be something for the folks who can't make it to champs because of the distance involved.   I am not sure how good I would feel if someone came and did Championships for 4 days, 6 if you count pre-trial, then drove straight through and did another 4 days at the regional.  That doesn't sit too well with me.
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: MichelleWhall on April 25, 2017, 09:38:15 AM
I live about as far east as you can get and although Ohio is considered East we also are looking at a 12-hour Drive versus 19-20 hrs to Illinois.

 as long as we can do it in a two Day Drive we will go :)
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: dogrsqr on April 25, 2017, 11:14:26 AM
When I started checking out driving directions I found that Ohio was actually pretty centrally located in the eastern half of the continental US.  Of course Florida is a little further away.

Gina
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: BeckyAH on April 25, 2017, 11:53:23 AM
I'm near Linda and when I will likely never manage to go to Utah or the like,  Ohio isn't bad at all and I'm fine with considering that east. Florida would be...hard, but I'd not say it wasn't east, just that it was too far for me.    I'm not ready for Champs but would like to try to qualify in a couple of years - and would really appreciate an 'off year' gathering that's longer and a little larger than a regular weekend for those 'social perks'. 
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Chris Nelson on April 25, 2017, 12:29:17 PM
Something we mentioned somewhere else, I can't remember where.   Is the possibility of having the top dogs in each division for the regional getting an automatic invite to Championships when it comes to that coast.   So that way it would have a little extra beyond a normal trial too.

Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Sharon Nelson on April 25, 2017, 02:41:10 PM
  I appreciate Sharon's effort to try to have something for everyone and maybe some people might be able to do both.
Linda & the Daxes

There is no thought or intention for anyone to do both!  It is an alternative for those who cannot travel as far as champs for whatever reason.

The reason the dates are so close is to try to make sure that no one can do both.  We could do it on the same dates but I would like to be available if Chris needs anything from me during the Champs.

Sharon
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Carole & Pat Daggett on April 26, 2017, 05:58:53 AM
Everyone should remember the NA of NADAC stands for North America. Folks in this discussion should keep on mind there is a very strong and very competitive contingent from western Canada that must also be kept in mind when deciding where to have Champs. I'm from eastern Pennsylvania so anywhere that doesn't involve crossing the Mississippi river is in play for me. I went to Gillette once and it was too much travel (and altitude) for me.

This is Champs. As Sharon has said at every Champs she and I have been to ... "this is not your ordinary weekend". I approach it as something special. You attend when you can because the dog you think has the potential may not last until its convenient.

Pat Daggett
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: DeafSheltieMom on April 26, 2017, 04:25:36 PM
I'm all in for a western US gathering!  Doesn't matter where, I'll try to be there!  Our club is holding a games trial the weekend afterwards, so I hope it doesn't affect attendance...  but I'm still in.

Being in the southern-most end of the west coast, practically everywhere is a long drive.  6 hours is nothing for me, but I have managed 12-13 hour driving days...  I plan on going to Gillette, even though it is about a 20 hour drive.  That seems "close" to me for a major event.  But of course, everyone has their travel limits.  I'm a bit on the crazy side regarding travel...

-dayle
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Roger Coor on April 27, 2017, 10:21:03 AM
I really like the idea, still people have to understand they will have to do more than just fall out of bed to get to a Regional.  A Regional implies less than a big trip to A National event, but more than just a local.  I am all for it, if it, great idea.
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: Foomin Z on April 27, 2017, 04:52:14 PM
Another venue (in which I do NOT participate) actually awards something like a Western Champion and an Eastern Champion (and because I've never gone, that may not be quite right....).
That always seemed kinda weird to me.  I *totally* get the idea that not everyone can spend days (or bucks) traveling long distances.  But that, to me, means there is no national champion.
Just....well, different.
Yes, they do eastern and western champ, and then combine the east and west scores in a list  to declare a national champ. I thought that was a fun idea, to run the same courses on opposite coasts, and then combine the two halves' scores. I have seen other clubs on east/west coasts do this as well for friendly rivalry/fun and no real prize involved, just a ribbon. With computers and the internet, that makes such a thing so easy to do.
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: cheyaut on April 29, 2017, 11:13:09 PM
If that date sticks, Dash and I will go! I work 7 on/7 off and that's my off week :D It'll be fun, hope it works out!
Title: Re: Possible 2017 Western Regional
Post by: bhodges865 on May 01, 2017, 10:50:28 AM
Will the "eastern Regional" actually be in the EAST?  Like NOT Illinois or Ohio?  Like actually East?  MA, NY, PA, etc?

If you look at the distribution of Northeast competitors vs the rest of "eastern" US, I would think there could be as many in those 13 colony states as the rest of the "east".  I am lucky that I am almost centrally located in the "east".  I compete as far as TX (14 hrs) to GA (4 hrs) to NC (6 hrs) to MD (8 hrs) to KY (3 hrs) to IA (9 hrs).