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Title: New Barrelers
Post by: mygsds on May 28, 2017, 05:16:32 PM
We ran the new barrelers class today..liked the old courses much better. Too few barrels niw was more like a Hoopers course with tunnels and a few barrels stuck in...we did Q on our runs but wasnt as much of a challenge as XBarrelers was.
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Chris Nelson on May 29, 2017, 02:44:42 PM
X-Barrelers was just a bit much for what we ask in a special skills class.

Weavers we ask for 3 sets of weaves
Touch n Go we ask for 3 contact performances

So it only made sense that Barrelers would have 3-ish barrel performances as well.
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: danforth on May 29, 2017, 05:43:24 PM
Is it possible to get a sample course for those who have not been running barreled?

Isabel

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Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: mygsds on May 30, 2017, 05:38:52 PM
Thanks for explaining Chris.  I didnt think of it that way. I had only done the other XBarrelers and enjoyed it. This seemed so different but that makes sense.

Pat
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Maureen deHaan on May 31, 2017, 07:42:55 AM
Personally I LOVE the new barrelers - when you have many many barrel performances I think it stresses the dog's joints too much - I like that they get to open up and not be in collection all the time - I also find it pretty challenging at the elite level with my faster than average dogs - It truly does show you a lot about your handling skills :)
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: dogrsqr on May 31, 2017, 08:44:49 AM
Couldn't agree more Maureen!  Not only did the old Barrelers stress the joints, but it was also pretty un-NADAC like and mentally demotivating.  I had written tunnelers off but it is much more fun again.

Gina Pizzo
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Richard Wolfe on May 31, 2017, 11:00:40 AM
Me too!!!!  I think though it was fun to try, especially with a long-striding, fast dog, it was a bit much for the little guys.  We never made it to the Elite level, but in the early stages, if I remember correctly, at pre-Champs or for a demo it was the same course for all with a whole bunch of Barrels.  Sparkle pooped next to one of them and she wasn't prone to doing that.  It said volumes to me!!!!!

I really like the newest version.  The old version would still be good for Extreme Challenges.
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Daniel Edwards on June 06, 2017, 02:30:29 PM
Hi Chris,

I have a Barrelers related question...  I noticed that Barrelers is currently the only class not available for VT Runs.  With Barrelers not commonly offered at trials, it would be nice to have the opportunity to try out VT runs.  Are there any plans to post Barrelers VT courses in the future?  Just curious.   :)

Thanks!
Daniel and Milo
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: MoabDiane on June 06, 2017, 03:06:52 PM
I don't mind the "lack" of lots of barrels.
My older dog Bracken has done loops around all kinds of things, all his life.
He turns tightly, but not so drastically as to be painful (I think, I hope).
I wasn't a huge fan of the old barrelers or X-barrelers.

However.
The new Elite level courses haven't been particularly friendly.
A serp with a turn to the barrel on the "inside" (or what I would call the "wrong" side!). 
That's worse than any barrel turn I used to see.

Bracken isn't perfect, and I am less so.
But without looking, I'll bet he has about a 10% Q rate in the "new" barrelers.
That says a lot to me! 
He still has fun with it - and I try. We've had a few that were lovely!  But dang few.

Teasel is a bit more successful - but she's still (for one more Q!) in Open.
I think she can do the Elite courses just fine because she *isn't* quite so fast.

Just my two cents' worth.
I'm hoping like other "new" things that some kinks will get worked out, and courses will get to be more friendly.

diane
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on June 07, 2017, 09:15:20 PM
I'm just hoping to see a new barrelers course! Is there a sample somewhere?

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Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Janice_Shavor on June 08, 2017, 06:04:43 AM
Yes, there are samples of all levels, all classes at the end of the rules (NADAC.com, Rules and FAQ, Exhibitors Handbook).  Barrelers is the last sample set.  It is fairly similar to the ones I have seen at trials, although I haven't run the sample course.  Looks like fun (but I just find Barrelers fun to run!).
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Edraith on June 09, 2017, 09:22:48 AM
Danielle - before they said they didnt do VT barrels because it was too hard to judge the turns on tape. I wonder with the revamp if it will be offered though. Ive seen some courses with two barrels in VT so doesnt seem a stretch with 3.
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Chris Nelson on June 09, 2017, 11:30:53 AM
The way the new barrelers courses are designed I do think it could be possible.

We would need some rules on what sort of markers could be used.   The whiskers are great in person, but can be a little hard to see if the video quality isn't high.

The flat orange cones are very visible in all videos.  So we'll play around with it a bit and see what we can come up with
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Janice_Shavor on June 10, 2017, 06:15:24 AM
I would love to be a participant in the experiment!!  I have flat soccer cones that I got for numbering Strategic Hoopers sequences.  And GoPro cameras that generally do a distance picture.
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on June 11, 2017, 01:39:53 PM
Please, please, please can we have Barrelers VT runs!  I'd be glad to test this as well.
Linda
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: danforth on June 11, 2017, 03:17:47 PM
For those of us who have bean bags, would those be okay?   They are used for indoor trials.

Isabel
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Chris Nelson on June 11, 2017, 04:13:32 PM
For those of us who have bean bags, would those be okay?   They are used for indoor trials.

Isabel

I am not sure as it really depends on the style.  The small bean bags can be pretty rough to see on video.
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Edraith on June 12, 2017, 07:12:32 AM
Im happy to help too.
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Sharon Nelson on June 13, 2017, 10:27:17 AM
Please, please, please can we have Barrelers VT runs!  I'd be glad to test this as well.
Linda

In the past, another reason that Barrelers was not allowed on VT, along with difficulty to judge on video, was we kept one class that people HAD to support local trials in order to get the All Around NATCH titles.  People had to enter and support trials for at least one class!!

Sharon
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Marcy Matties on June 13, 2017, 11:27:05 AM
Please, please, please can we have Barrelers VT runs!  I'd be glad to test this as well.
Linda

In the past, another reason that Barrelers was not allowed on VT, along with difficulty to judge on video, was we kept one class that people HAD to support local trials in order to get the All Around NATCH titles.  People had to enter and support trials for at least one class!!

Sharon

I agree Sharon.  The only downside is that when you trial in an area where you only see 1 or 2 barrelers every couple of months - if that - then it just pushes the All Around NATCH down the road a ways.  But that's OK - we'll get it when we get it - or not.
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Becky Woodruff on June 13, 2017, 11:43:22 AM
Marcy,
Let your clubs know you want Barrelers and then chant, "We want barrelers, we want barrelers..."

If clubs don't hear from their exhibitors as to what they won't, then they can't accommodate them.

Becky
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Marcy Matties on June 13, 2017, 12:07:17 PM
Marcy,
Let your clubs know you want Barrelers and then chant, "We want barrelers, we want barrelers..."

If clubs don't hear from their exhibitors as to what they won't, then they can't accommodate them.

Becky

Oh you know me Becky.  I'm shy and reticent and hesitant about expressing my opinion ...  ;D ;D  You just know about how people react to something "new".  But I WILL keep quietly prodding clubs to add at least one barrelers - "just for fun" - and if they do people will see how much fun it is and then maybe the clubs will start offering it more.
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on June 13, 2017, 12:20:22 PM
Marcy,
Let your clubs know you want Barrelers and then chant, "We want barrelers, we want barrelers..."

If clubs don't hear from their exhibitors as to what they won't, then they can't accommodate them.
for it at all th
Becky
We (Star City Canine Training Club, Roanoke, VA) is having Barrelers in September!!  And I am definitely asking for it at all the trials I usually go to.
Linda
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Sharon Nelson on June 13, 2017, 03:12:49 PM
Marcy,
Let your clubs know you want Barrelers and then chant, "We want barrelers, we want barrelers..."

If clubs don't hear from their exhibitors as to what they won't, then they can't accommodate them.
for it at all th
Becky
We (Star City Canine Training Club, Roanoke, VA) is having Barrelers in September!!  And I am definitely asking for it at all the trials I usually go to.
Linda

Good job!

Sharon
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Ed and Dino on June 13, 2017, 06:09:04 PM
Barrelers is indeed a fun class and some dogs/handlers take to it really well.

I fill out the entries classes for Belle, my sister's beagle. Last year I only put her in a few times in Intro but she Qed twice.

This year in April was at games trial with no Intro, so Belle was entered Novice Barrelers and she Q both runs.
Since then just entered Novice since she had proved herself there.

She has Qed in Barrelers, I believe every Novice run this year, she just got O-BR-N this weekend.

Both Belle and my sister like the class and obviously they are good at it.

The title Q run is at following link if you want to see a recent Novice Barrelers course in action.

https://vimeo.com/221516217


Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Sara Langston on June 14, 2017, 07:44:01 AM
Barrelers is indeed a fun class and some dogs/handlers take to it really well.

I fill out the entries classes for Belle, my sister's beagle. Last year I only put her in a few times in Intro but she Qed twice.

This year in April was at games trial with no Intro, so Belle was entered Novice Barrelers and she Q both runs.
Since then just entered Novice since she had proved herself there.

She has Qed in Barrelers, I believe every Novice run this year, she just got O-BR-N this weekend.

Both Belle and my sister like the class and obviously they are good at it.

The title Q run is at following link if you want to see a recent Novice Barrelers course in action.

https://vimeo.com/221516217

Great run!!!!  What a fun little dog.  Good job!!

Sara
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: sydneys99 on August 07, 2017, 08:29:31 AM
 :) Totally agree with Linda, we would love some VT barrelers runs.

Thanks,
Tam Shaffer-Dunfee
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on August 08, 2017, 04:11:59 AM
Barrelers is my favorite class !!  I give up other classes to run in Barrelers because my dogs and I love this class!   

I would love to see some VT Barrelers runs too !! 
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: Fran on August 10, 2017, 11:12:21 AM
What's the maximum number of barrels needed for barrelers class? 3?

Trying to generat equipment list for trials to help club budget for purchases.

Thanks
Fran Stanford
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: RobertStewart on August 10, 2017, 05:18:43 PM
We would be happy to test it with Travis Agility Group.
Title: Re: New Barrelers
Post by: JimmyS. on August 11, 2017, 10:29:51 AM
What's the maximum number of barrels needed for barrelers class? 3?

Trying to generat equipment list for trials to help club budget for purchases.

Thanks
Fran Stanford

At least 5 to be safe. :-)


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