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Title: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Bostondirtdogs07 on May 31, 2017, 06:40:57 PM
Ok, having never been to Champs before and not having seen any information on warm-up areas and such I have panicked and entered ALL THE THINGS, ie. Pre-champs, side entries, etc.  Perhaps when the details become clearer it may not be in my best interest to do EVERYTHING.   Are the rules for withdrawing entries prior to closing for Pre-champs and side entries the same as at typical trials?  I was concerned that after two days in an RV my dogs would spend long days in their crates with no more than a warm up jump....  Any details on warm-up areas available would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on May 31, 2017, 10:49:36 PM
Haha love it.  Enter all the things is my new slogan now.

It breaks down like this:
Championships = the main event, the big deal

Pre-trial = normal runs that occur on the tuesday and Wednesday before the main event.  These have no bearing on your scores for champs.

Side runs = nornal runs that occur on the same days as champs.  These also have no bearing on your scores for champs.

For a normal warm up we will have a designated area you can use that is part of the staging area.  Since we are doing the side runs this year it will probably consist of 2-3 hoops and a couple jumps.

For refunds it depends how close to the event you cancel.  I need to find yhr exact verbiage and dates used from last year though so i don't post the wrong thing :)   but any money that doesn't get refunded to you can still be used for anything you would normally pay nadac for, so nadac hosted trials, registration fees, that sort of thing.  So you're not totally SOL if you cancel the week before :)

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Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Bostondirtdogs07 on June 01, 2017, 02:57:11 AM
Thanks Chris.  That helps! I wouldn't anticipate withdrawing that close to the event except in case of emergency.   I was wondering more about before the August 1st deadline.   With the 200 run limit on side runs I wanted to secure runs,  particularly for my baby dog, so she has some good solid warm-up time.   😊  On the other side some have advised that it's not a good idea for a newbie because of potential conflicts.  I'm still weighing the pros and cons!  Thanks again for your response!
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on June 01, 2017, 04:10:01 AM
Any cancellations before August 15th would get a full refund :)

We're working on a way to make the conflicts non existent.  So it shouldn't be too bad :)

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Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Lorrie Stelz on June 01, 2017, 05:20:18 PM
Loved having the dog walk in the warm up area last year.  Will that be the case this year as well?
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on June 02, 2017, 01:34:05 PM
Loved having the dog walk in the warm up area last year.  Will that be the case this year as well?

We still have to make a final decision on that one.   There has been a lot of emails sent to me both for it, and against it.

So we'll see
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Marcy Matties on June 02, 2017, 02:39:03 PM
Loved having the dog walk in the warm up area last year.  Will that be the case this year as well?

We still have to make a final decision on that one.   There has been a lot of emails sent to me both for it, and against it.

So we'll see

I didn't email, and it wasn't a BIG distraction.  But having dogs running over the dog walk while I had my dog at the startline was a distraction.  I would look back and see his neck craned around watching the dog walk.  Maybe a training issue, but not one we normally encounter.  And maybe not a true comparison - but it seems that the dog that is intensely running the dog walk is not a dog that is then distracted once they get to the startline.  So maybe those handlers don't recognize how distracting it can be.
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Maureen deHaan on June 03, 2017, 06:09:14 AM
I agree with Marcy on that one - In 2015 Springfield, from the stands, I saw so so many dogs in the Que  distracted by what was going on in the warm up area - dogs slamming through tunnels and over dog walk, handlers yelling cues or corrections  - and although you say judges are there to prevent it, when we were in Springfield last, people WERE indeed drilling dogs in that area. That is the only thing I did not like about the last champs in Springfield...

My thought is people pay a LOT of money to run their dogs in Champs - The dogs on the line or in the Que are the most important ones at that given moment and they should not be distracted - conversely - People pay a lot of money to go to champs and should be allowed to warm their dogs up - I get that - but doing obstacles is not the only way to warm up a dog (and not always the safest way IMO)

 I will say that although Kiva was not affected by it at Springfield - Zoe is likely to be distracted by it this year as a green dog to champs and an evironmentally sensitive dog as well -

Thanks for the consideration
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: MoabDiane on June 03, 2017, 08:40:53 AM
Yep, what Marcy and Maureen said.   Both of my dogs were distracted (not much, but definitely noticeable) by dogs on the dogwalk.

I love an opportunity to "warm up" - but warming up on the dogwalk just seems like remedial training to me. JMHO.

diane
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on June 03, 2017, 09:57:58 AM
Yep, what Marcy and Maureen said.   Both of my dogs were distracted (not much, but definitely noticeable) by dogs on the dogwalk.

I love an opportunity to "warm up" - but warming up on the dogwalk just seems like reof distraction.medial training to me. JMHO.

diane
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I have to agree with Diane on the DW thing.   I know this is not an ordinary trial, but to my knowledge,  dogs had  have never an opportunity to warm up on any contact equipment.   How would anyone train for that type of distraction?
Linda
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on June 03, 2017, 12:43:26 PM
The reason we give them more obstacles to warm up on, as mentioned before, is that we really hate having folks spend an entire year to get to champs, and then blow their runs.

It's nice to let people get the bugs out a bit and have nice good runs that make the competition fun and competitive.

Regardless of what happens with the warm up area, the side runs are happening in the same arena.   It will be as far away from the main ring as possible.  But that happening is a 100% sure thing at this point.     So there will be that distraction to work with.   Which again, should not be a terrible issue for a Championship level dog.
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on June 03, 2017, 12:47:11 PM
Also not to really beat on this anymore...but for 15+ years we had two ring trials running at the same time.  Sometimes 3 and 4 rings.

It was never an issue back then,  and that was at a regular weekend trial where the caliber of your averagr dog was much lower than what's expected at champs.

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Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on June 03, 2017, 12:52:15 PM
Also, USDAA i am fairly certain runs 4 rings at the same time.

I think everyone will be okay :)

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Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Ed and Dino on June 04, 2017, 04:01:15 PM
Also not to really beat on this anymore...but for 15+ years we had two ring trials running at the same time.  Sometimes 3 and 4 rings.

It was never an issue back then,  and that was at a regular weekend trial where the caliber of your averagr dog was much lower than what's expected at champs.

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In the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic, I've not heard of or seen a 2 ring trial in at least 5 years, so some dogs have never experience that and likely never will until they go to Champs or NADAC numbers grow to past numbers where a 2 ring trial is doable again.
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Foomin Z on June 04, 2017, 07:33:30 PM
Also, USDAA i am fairly certain runs 4 rings at the same time.

I think everyone will be okay :)

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CPE and CKC nationals have had 6 rings run at the same time, all next to each other. No real issues.

But then, it seems a lot of people here do NADAC only, and may never have entered multiple ring trials, based on how often I have seen people chastised on this forum for mentioning other venues.

The defense being used here is that a dog who qualifies for champs should be able to handle nearby busy-ness. Does hinge on what people are used to? Are you trying to recreate the NADAC experience at champs? How many multi-ring trials have been held in NADAC this past year? Is that a way to define what to do about contact use near the champs ring?
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on June 04, 2017, 08:04:04 PM
Also, USDAA i am fairly certain runs 4 rings at the same time.

I think everyone will be okay :)

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CPE and CKC nationals have had 6 rings run at the same time, all next to each other. No real issues.

But then, it seems a lot of people here do NADAC only, and may never have entered multiple ring trials, based on how often I have seen people chastised on this forum for mentioning other venues.

The defense being used here is that a dog who qualifies for champs should be able to handle nearby busy-ness. Does hinge on what people are used to? Are you trying to recreate the NADAC experience at champs? How many multi-ring trials have been held in NADAC this past year? Is that a way to define what to do about contact use near the champs ring?

It's more the fact that Championships have been multi ring in the beginning.  And we have always had warm up obstacles in the years since when we quit doing multi ring.    History is hard to break at times :)

I think if you end up coming this year Lisa you'll find it to be quite agreeable.  And I think everyone else will do great as well.
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Vicki Storrs on June 05, 2017, 11:51:50 AM
And would like to state my opinion/observation after a lot of years of ANALLY reading EVERY post, first to the NADAC Yahoo list and then to the Forum...people are only chastised for mentioning other venues when they do it in a critical manner, or with a tone that implies ANY one is "better" OR "worse" than the other.  Though since this is a NADAC forum, saying I LOVE NADAC would, in my opinion, not be inappropriate, nor does it mean that it is any better than any other, merely that the overall environment of NADAC, from courses to people, suit ME. But it would make sense that discussing the pros or cons of other venues would be inappropriate here.  So we're asked not to do so.
Everybody chooses their own fun.
Vicki
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on June 05, 2017, 12:38:27 PM
I would like to echo what Vicki has mentioned.

We've always taken and neutral stance on the topic of other venues.

Meaning we got on people for bashing other venues, just as we would if they were bashing NADAC.

If we failed in that goal I would like to know where so that we can correct it.

We like to keep things positive and moving forward on the forum.   And I don't like seeing other venues talked about badly here because I think we can be above that.   
If I failed in addressing someone talking badly of another venue please let me know.
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Lorrie Stelz on June 05, 2017, 04:20:35 PM
I realize that it's been awhile since my dogs have been in trials that run in 2 rings at the same time, but there are ALWAYS distractions at trials.  Dogs barking, other courses being built, dogs warming up, dogs playing in the background. At my last trial, there was a youth 5K going on in the same park in view of the dogs.  No one was bothered by it.  (and it was funny, because one of my friend's dogs ran into my dog's ring and bopped into him.  Kaiden hesitated and looked at the dog like "hum... that was strange!"  The judge told us we could rerun it, but we were clean already, and I chose to finish.  We finished the course fine for a Q.  Never had that happen before, and in one of the classes we struggle with, but my dog recovered within a second.)  We even in the past had army helicopters flying over our trials in IA and only a tiny handful of dogs had trouble.  Distractions should be well tolerated by the dogs entered at Champs already.  JMO.  I personally would like to see 2 rings running concurently at Champs to speed things along.  Dogs might be a bit distracted at first, but should be able to adjust.  That's what is great with Pre-trial runs.  Your dog gets used to being in the big arena before the main "show". It's not uncommon for dogs to be a bit more nervous there.  Heck, as a handler, I sure am.  And, twice now, my Veteran (soon to be DD dog) had a major panic moment at Champs.  But, I was able to refocus him and we Qd on our runs.  Maybe put the DW at the far end of the ring.  But, distractions are nothing new for agility dogs.  Certainly not as fast as our courses run and how much is going on around them all the time.
On one more note, 2 rings were running at the same time with Pre-trial last year, and although I wasn't watching many runs, it didn't seem to be a big issue. Dogs handled it fine.
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: MoabDiane on June 05, 2017, 08:56:54 PM
OK, can't  hold my tongue (fingers?) any longer.

Agree that Champs-level dogs should be able to deal with all kinds of distractions.
Yes, we've run with dogs running in adjacent rings many times with no problems.

HOWEVER, what I objected to in South Jordan was the waiting in line while in full view and sound of the dogwalk - no curtain that close to the incoming door.
I don't know how far away it was, but it seemed awfully close. I can usually keep my dogs' attention to me while waiting (well, except when Bracken hears a dog going through a tunnel on the other side of the curtains and sticks his nose underneath!  LOL!).  But this was just a bit too close for comfort.

JMHO (and if it's there, with no curtain, we certainly will just deal with it!).
diane
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Bostondirtdogs07 on June 06, 2017, 02:22:42 PM
Thanks for all of the additional info Chris!  My two cents....  I like the idea of having some sort of contact equipment in the warm-up area.  Some championship events actually have a warm-up round so I think this, along with the options for side runs is a great idea.  We run at two ring trials on a regular basis so it doesn't bother me to have two events in the same arena. 
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso on June 06, 2017, 04:10:13 PM
Also, USDAA i am fairly certain runs 4 rings at the same time.

I think everyone will be okay :)

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Many of us don't do multiple venues and I have never been to a multiple ring trial in all of my time in NADAC.  We are lucky to have NADAC trials at all and we definitely don't have enough to hold multiple rings.  I think putting another ring at Champs, when we all work so hard to get there and pay a lot of money to be there is quite unfair to the teams in the big ring at the time.  There may be a handler that is out there screaming (meaning they are loud, not being mean) at their dog, while you are trying to run your dog and your dog can't hear YOU properly while you are in the main ring.  Not to mention that if a dog is running over the dogwalk while your dog is on the dog walk, it could be a dangerous situation if either dog gets distracted.   You can say it is a "training issue", but the reality is, most of us do not have the opportunity to train that. 
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Lorrie Stelz on June 06, 2017, 04:44:33 PM
sounds like the side rings are going on at the same time in there without doubt, so we'll have to get used to it.  Doesn't bother me, except that when I run Chances, I'm not real quiet.  But, those areas are usually pretty noisy anyway unless it's Sweeps.  So hopefully I'll not be too loud.  Might have to crank my volume down a bit.
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Billie Rosen on June 07, 2017, 08:37:33 AM
For those people who don't have multi-ring NADAC trials and only do NADAC venue, you might have to get creative in training your dog to ignore the distraction of another ring running simultaneously.  One idea - if there is a dog park or similar type of activity, take some jumps, hoops, weave poles, and whatever other equipment you have, and work your dog in the vicinity of the dog park while dogs are playing in the park.  (Don't go into the park with the other dogs, just work outside the park and use the dogs inside as a distraction).  Or you can go to a local park with kids playing in the playground.  You could set up two sets of equipment, and use baby gates, fencing etc. between the two sets and have a friend work their dog on one set of equipment and you work your dog on the other.  In other words, you may not be able to totally replicate the situation you and your dog will face at Champs, but you should be able to approximate the challenge of multiple rings if you use your creativity during the next several months before we all head to Ohio. 
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Marcy Matties on June 07, 2017, 10:09:38 AM
The reason we give them more obstacles to warm up on, as mentioned before, is that we really hate having folks spend an entire year to get to champs, and then blow their runs.

It's nice to let people get the bugs out a bit and have nice good runs that make the competition fun and competitive.

Regardless of what happens with the warm up area, the side runs are happening in the same arena.   It will be as far away from the main ring as possible.  But that happening is a 100% sure thing at this point.     So there will be that distraction to work with.   Which again, should not be a terrible issue for a Championship level dog.

Thanks Chris.  I know things change once you get on site.  But maybe it would help allay people's fears if you could do some kind of a tentative diagram of what you anticipate the entire arena looking like...  where the official arena will be, the staging area, and particularly where the side runs might be.  As far away as possible is an encouraging description for most, but for others who are more tentative then maybe a simple diagram would help ease the anxiety about going.  I think anyone that has been understands the staging area and what might and might not be there as far as warmup equipment.  But the side runs is not something a lot of people might be familiar with - at least as far as having them in the "same place".  It was easy when they were in a different building like in Springfield - but what does that look like this year? 

Again, I understand it could change some once you get there.  But I think some people are visualizing a side-run ring right "next to" the Champs ring.
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on June 07, 2017, 12:27:42 PM
The side runs will be about 60 feet from the other arena.   The way it would be set up I would say the contacts in each ring will be over 150 feet apart. 

The photo attached is a preliminary draft of the arena.

The staging areas will also be able to avoid the side run area pretty well too.  By about 20 feet minimum.

The side runs area will also be very well blocked off.    There will be a 4 rail vinyl fence, lined with the purple curtain material so that no one can see in or out.

Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Marcy Matties on June 07, 2017, 03:04:23 PM
Thanks Chris.  As usual you are awesome!  Hopefully people can now "see" the answer rather than speculating about what it might be.  You know how the imagination can run wild   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: danforth on June 07, 2017, 04:39:45 PM
I still do not see where the side runs will be.  Are they in the pre-trial ring?

Isabel

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Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Foomin Z on June 07, 2017, 06:16:33 PM
OK, can't  hold my tongue (fingers?) any longer.

Agree that Champs-level dogs should be able to deal with all kinds of distractions.
Yes, we've run with dogs running in adjacent rings many times with no problems.

HOWEVER, what I objected to in South Jordan was the waiting in line while in full view and sound of the dogwalk - no curtain that close to the incoming door.
I don't know how far away it was, but it seemed awfully close. I can usually keep my dogs' attention to me while waiting (well, except when Bracken hears a dog going through a tunnel on the other side of the curtains and sticks his nose underneath!  LOL!).  But this was just a bit too close for comfort.

JMHO (and if it's there, with no curtain, we certainly will just deal with it!).
diane
I thought from pictures I saw of other champs that the curtains seemed taller than people. They're not?
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on June 07, 2017, 06:18:39 PM
I still do not see where the side runs will be.  Are they in the pre-trial ring?

Isabel

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Yes!
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on June 07, 2017, 06:18:56 PM
OK, can't  hold my tongue (fingers?) any longer.

Agree that Champs-level dogs should be able to deal with all kinds of distractions.
Yes, we've run with dogs running in adjacent rings many times with no problems.

HOWEVER, what I objected to in South Jordan was the waiting in line while in full view and sound of the dogwalk - no curtain that close to the incoming door.
I don't know how far away it was, but it seemed awfully close. I can usually keep my dogs' attention to me while waiting (well, except when Bracken hears a dog going through a tunnel on the other side of the curtains and sticks his nose underneath!  LOL!).  But this was just a bit too close for comfort.

JMHO (and if it's there, with no curtain, we certainly will just deal with it!).
diane
I thought from pictures I saw of other champs that the curtains seemed taller than people. They're not?

No.

They are about 4 feet tall
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on June 07, 2017, 06:19:30 PM
The Pre-Trial Ring/ Side runs ring will have a larger fence though.   I can't remember off the top of my head but at least 5 feet tall, maybe 6
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Heidi Konesko on June 08, 2017, 06:44:23 AM
This is helpful to visualize it.  Although I'm not quite remembering how the staging area works... is this where each dog/handler team had their own blocked off area in which to wait and you index down through them?  What can you bring into and do in the staging area, and how many dogs are ahead of you when you have to enter the staging area?  I'm one of those "hang back and wait until the last second so that my dog doesn't amp up and annoy everyone with her barking" people.  I know that isn't going to work at Champs.   ::)
Can we bring treats, and possibly what would work best for my girl, a bully stick to chew on while going through the staging area? As the song goes, "The waaaaiting is the hardest part!" :)
I seem to remember some sort of handler's gear transfer relay going from the entrance side to the exit side, separate from leash running, when I helped out down on the floor in 2011 Springfield.  Is that right?  And if so, would it be good to bring a little tote bag for our stuff?
Thanks, -Heidi in NH
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on June 08, 2017, 09:34:57 AM
This is helpful to visualize it.  Although I'm not quite remembering how the staging area works... is this where each dog/handler team had their own blocked off area in which to wait and you index down through them?  What can you bring into and do in the staging area, and how many dogs are ahead of you when you have to enter the staging area?  I'm one of those "hang back and wait until the last second so that my dog doesn't amp up and annoy everyone with her barking" people.  I know that isn't going to work at Champs.   ::)
Can we bring treats, and possibly what would work best for my girl, a bully stick to chew on while going through the staging area? As the song goes, "The waaaaiting is the hardest part!" :)
I seem to remember some sort of handler's gear transfer relay going from the entrance side to the exit side, separate from leash running, when I helped out down on the floor in 2011 Springfield.  Is that right?  And if so, would it be good to bring a little tote bag for our stuff?
Thanks, -Heidi in NH

You are correct on all counts!

They are essentially holding chutes.  You would typically have about 4-5 dogs ahead of you when you enter.

When you get to the last chute before the start line there will be a person there who you can give your toys/treats to.  They will transfer them over to the finish line.

Only thing you can't bring into the staging area is a squeaky toy :)
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso on June 08, 2017, 01:08:21 PM
For those people who don't have multi-ring NADAC trials and only do NADAC venue, you might have to get creative in training your dog to ignore the distraction of another ring running simultaneously.  One idea - if there is a dog park or similar type of activity, take some jumps, hoops, weave poles, and whatever other equipment you have, and work your dog in the vicinity of the dog park while dogs are playing in the park.  (Don't go into the park with the other dogs, just work outside the park and use the dogs inside as a distraction).  Or you can go to a local park with kids playing in the playground.  You could set up two sets of equipment, and use baby gates, fencing etc. between the two sets and have a friend work their dog on one set of equipment and you work your dog on the other.  In other words, you may not be able to totally replicate the situation you and your dog will face at Champs, but you should be able to approximate the challenge of multiple rings if you use your creativity during the next several months before we all head to Ohio.

We unfortunately don't have that option in my area.  All dog parks by us require a yearly fee to belong and the people who bring their dogs to the park are not trustworthy.  I had my old dog attacked at a dog park and won't take my dogs there again.   There is no room to work outside as this is the parking lot and there is no ground around the outside of the parks either to set up.  Any other park, especially with kids around requires the dogs to be on leash. 
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Billie Rosen on June 09, 2017, 05:42:21 PM
Audra,  you will just have to be positive and creative to work on this.  You may have to do things on leash, but you could go talk to your Parks director and explain your needs and see if there is a park where you could work a bit off leash.  Is there a search and rescue group in your area that trains that you could work your dog in their vicinity?  Maybe some dog classes where the instructor will let you do some work nearby.  You would be a great distraction for their dogs.  Or is soccer for example played outside in your area, where you could use the guys or girls running up and down as a distraction.  And you don't need much to set up, just a couple of hoops, buckets, gates and/or jumps, and you can do a whole lot of work.  You don't need to set up a course, just teach your dog to work with nearby distractions.  So instead of thinking why you can't, put on your positive thinking cap and think about how you can!!!!  I've had to do that numerous times in my dog training career, sometimes its a challenge, but I can usually find something to simulate what I need to work on.
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: mygsds on June 18, 2017, 06:06:43 PM
Chris if they are running side runs in same arena how will the rings be separated?
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Marcy Matties on June 18, 2017, 06:21:26 PM
Chris if they are running side runs in same arena how will the rings be separated?

Look back at page 2 of this thread.  Chris posted a diagram.
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: bhodges865 on June 22, 2017, 10:21:46 AM
It seems to me, if people are worried about dogs being on other equipment in another area, why not train it?  We have a few months, get some friends together and set up a 2 ring type situation.  It doesn't have to be full courses, just dogs running on contacts, through tunnels, handlers yelling commands, dogs barking, etc.

I'm sure one thing that people will complain about will be barking dogs in the building (in champs ring or side ring).  But I have never been to any dog show where it was quiet.  But...if your dog does get distracted by other barking dogs, now's the time to train for that.  Because I know my dog will bark, she didn't earn "Mouth of the South" for nothing, if she's running a course or waiting in line to run champs.
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Maureen deHaan on June 23, 2017, 07:24:08 AM
I 've been to champs 3 times now - I've never had an issue with Kiva with any of that, I may with Zoe bc she is a hyperalert dog - but we'll go with the flow this being her first time at champs -that being said:

I have always trained my dogs with all kinds of distractions - In my opinion,  anyone can train distractions all they want but  the amped up energy of champs  is not something you can really replicate in other situations even at crowded trials, parks with kids,  class situations etc.

 I've never heard of people complaining about dogs barking in the arena nor have I heard it excessively in my limited experience.

 BUT - I would find it problematic if people were allowing their dogs to bark the heads off in the que in an antagonistic manner- I find it annoying at trials and I think  it is not fair to the team running or the team on deck when people stand ring side with their dog barking so much that is distracts or causes the dog running to be concerned,  and they do nothing to try to quell it.
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Marcy Matties on June 23, 2017, 09:33:27 AM
I 've been to champs 3 times now - I've never had an issue with Kiva with any of that, I may with Zoe bc she is a hyperalert dog - but we'll go with the flow this being her first time at champs -that being said:

I have always trained my dogs with all kinds of distractions - In my opinion,  anyone can train distractions all they want but  the amped up energy of champs  is not something you can really replicate in other situations even at crowded trials, parks with kids,  class situations etc.


What I've found seems kind of like a contradiction in terms.  But in my opinion - yes - there is no way to replicate the energy of Champs.  But what I think you will find is that dogs respond to that energy in a POSITIVE way.  It's like they know this is something special - a greater trial on a grander stage.  Not only do they respond by running faster (at least mine did), but they also respond by being more attentive and less distracted.  I have no empirical evidence to support that other than my own two dogs.  But I've watched a lot of dogs run during the course of 3 different Champs, and I barely remember any dogs ever being stressed or distracted or overly crazy or ever shutting down.  And that includes all levels of dogs - pre-elite, elite, young, old, etc.  I know that sounds hard to believe, but the courses are set up in an area that is much bigger than most any normal trial.  And it's like they are out there with you and nothing else exists.  The walls on 3 sides plus the purple curtains that separate the course from everything else just seem to help everything else melt away.

So if the handler can control THEIR fear and anxiety then I'm pretty sure the dog will have nothing but a good time.  And truly there is nothing to fear or be anxious about.  Above ALL else Champs is the most fun gathering of dog lovers having the time of their life with their dogs, and humans partying with old and new friends.  My motto for Utah was ...  just breathe ... which wasn't easy in that altitude!  lol  Hopefully air will be easier to come by in Ohio.
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Post by: DeafSheltieMom on June 26, 2017, 12:03:28 PM
To follow up on the distractions part of Champs...
Here is a link to a video of our 4th Round at last year's Champs. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KkhyhgAxZw

Right at the very beginning (about 10-11 seconds into the video), you can hear a VERY LOUD squeek...  I think it was a dog that accidentally got stepped on, or something.  But it happened right when we were setting up at the line.  You can see that Tesla REALLY wanted to check it out.  It's hard enough getting a leash over her ears as it is without messing with her brain, so her turning around to figure out what's going on DOES NOT HELP with her start lines!  But I stayed calm, and managed to get her sorta back to me (you can see she still looked back).  But once we started the run, Holy Moly!!!  It was our best run of the weekend, we stayed connected, and placed 1st in that run!  The distraction was unnerving at the time, but looking back on it now, it is what Champs is all about... staying connected with your dog and having fun, REGARDLESS of the outside circumstances.  Practicing with distractions is important, but building your teamwork and connected-ness is much more essential, because you can get past loads of unexpected stuff if you are connected as a team. 

Good luck at Champs, everyone!  Wish we could be there this year, but hopefully if the stars align, we will see all of you in Wyoming!!!
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Post by: Heidi Konesko on June 26, 2017, 12:47:39 PM
I wish there was a LIKE button for Dayle's post!  I was thinking something similar this morning, about how I just hope I can stay connected with my dogs on course.  That is all I am hoping for.
-Heidi in NH with Penny and Hi Jack
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: danforth on July 20, 2017, 02:31:32 PM
This is a bit of advice I was given, and thought that I should share it here.  They said that horse stalls might retain odors from previous occupants.  Therefore it is worth while to bring baking soda to spread over the floor before putting anything else down.

Anyone have comments on this?

Isabel

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Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on July 21, 2017, 12:01:46 AM
This is a bit of advice I was given, and thought that I should share it here.  They said that horse stalls might retain odors from previous occupants.  Therefore it is worth while to bring baking soda to spread over the floor before putting anything else down.

Anyone have comments on this?

Isabel

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Definitely not a bad idea!
I didn't notice much of an odor when I was there, but I should preface that by saying I was raised on a ranch so I might not be as aware of that odor as others might be :)
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Post by: Kathrine Bowman (Kitty) on July 26, 2017, 09:19:05 PM
Can we put down cedar shavings like we did in IL?
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on July 26, 2017, 10:11:31 PM
Can we put down cedar shavings like we did in IL?


Absolutely!
Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: danforth on July 27, 2017, 12:09:47 AM
Can they be delivered to the facility there?  If so, how can they be ordered, and do we need to remove them when we leave?

Isabel

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Title: Re: Champs closing date, warm-up area details, etc.
Post by: Chris Nelson on July 27, 2017, 09:59:06 AM
Can they be delivered to the facility there?  If so, how can they be ordered, and do we need to remove them when we leave?

Isabel

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You won't need to remove them.  It's a horse facility so they are pretty prepared for that :)
It would probably be best to arrange having the bags brought in yourself.   Most ranch supply stores will have them :)