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Title: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 09, 2018, 05:02:50 PM
https://youtu.be/KAvGjdtn8Es (https://youtu.be/KAvGjdtn8Es)
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on January 09, 2018, 06:21:54 PM
This sounds good!  Just one question - how will Stakes play into the regionals?
Linda
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: RobertStewart on January 09, 2018, 08:09:53 PM
a regional in Texas how exciting! I can't wait for the dates so, I can reserve them.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: knittingdog on January 09, 2018, 08:32:23 PM

Very exciting!

How many Regionals can a team attend?  Iím guessing there is no limit?

Excited to see where they all are.

Robin & Surge
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 10, 2018, 06:18:01 AM
This sounds good!  Just one question - how will Stakes play into the regionals?
Linda

At this point we're not going to be doing stakes for the regionals anymore.    They don't really make any sense to be used in a regional since the main advantage is getting to run in finals, which all bonus dogs get to do regardless.

And I would hate to see a dog going to Championships just from winning a regional, when the odds are incredibly great it would be the only dog there in certain areas.    So you would essentially just have to show up and get a automatic invite to Champs.    Which isn't really in the spirit of what we're trying to do here.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 10, 2018, 06:18:57 AM

Very exciting!

How many Regionals can a team attend?  Iím guessing there is no limit?

Excited to see where they all are.

Robin & Surge

Attending multiple would be fine, although we would obviously only count one win.   
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: knittingdog on January 10, 2018, 06:55:22 AM

Will scoring for Regionals be time + faults like at Champs?

Excited!
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 10, 2018, 06:59:53 AM

Will scoring for Regionals be time + faults like at Champs?

Excited!

Yup!
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on January 10, 2018, 09:34:04 AM
This sounds good!  Just one question - how will Stakes play into the regionals?
Linda

At this point we're not going to be doing stakes for the regionals anymore.    They don't really make any sense to be used in a regional since the main advantage is getting to run in finals, which all bonus dogs get to do regardless.

And I would hate to see a dog going to Championships just from winning a regional, when the odds are incredibly great it would be the only dog there in certain areas.    So you would essentially just have to show up and get a automatic invite to Champs.    Which isn't really in the spirit of what we're trying to do here.
So, as I read this, Stakes qualifying for Champs will continue as before, right?  And for that matter, so will regular qualifying.  You just won't have an automatic pass to the finals.
Linda
Linda
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 10, 2018, 09:50:07 AM
All stakes dogs go to finals.    So an automatic pass is a little redundant :)

And yes qualifying for going to Stakes at Champs won't have any shortcuts.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Scott Casino on January 10, 2018, 03:13:02 PM
With all Regional winners getting an automatic bye into the Finals round at Championships, does this mean that Champs winners will be determined by the Finals score only or will it remain as it is now (highest cumulative score for all 8 rounds)?
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Heidi Konesko on January 10, 2018, 03:43:25 PM
Could be fun to plan a vacation trip around one of these, are the dates out yet?
Heidi in NH
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: David Tharle on January 10, 2018, 08:40:28 PM
Watch under ďEventsĒ section of the website. Presently posted that locations will be announced Jan 12th. Likely dates would have to be confirmed in order to do that.

Dave Tharle
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on January 10, 2018, 09:29:47 PM

Very exciting!

How many Regionals can a team attend?  Iím guessing there is no limit?

Excited to see where they all are.

Robin & Surge

Attending multiple would be fine, although we would obviously only count one win.

If someone did win first place in two different regionals, and if only one counts, would the person in second place in the second Regional be the winner for that class? Or would the repeat winner just not count for that class, but no one else would take over the first spot either?
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on January 10, 2018, 09:33:02 PM
Chris has already announced in the video the probable places, or at least the states or the Regionals will be held.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Kyle on January 11, 2018, 08:32:42 AM
This sounds good!  Just one question - how will Stakes play into the regionals?
Linda

At this point we're not going to be doing stakes for the regionals anymore.    They don't really make any sense to be used in a regional since the main advantage is getting to run in finals, which all bonus dogs get to do regardless.

And I would hate to see a dog going to Championships just from winning a regional, when the odds are incredibly great it would be the only dog there in certain areas.    So you would essentially just have to show up and get a automatic invite to Champs.    Which isn't really in the spirit of what we're trying to do here.

I'm hoping that I am completely misunderstanding what Chris has said regarding Stakes at all the Regionals otherwise I will be really disappointed with the concept of having a "Regional" program. From my perspective (I do Bonus runs at trials and have *and continue to want to* run in Stakes at Champs  :D), being able to run in Finals wouldn't be the "main advantage" to winning the class at a Regional because, yes, Stakes dogs run in the Finals. It's the opportunity to be able to get the "automatic invite" that is *THE* super duper "prize". It's hard enough to get a Bonus run as it is, even harder now that in some areas there are less trials available to try and, as Chris has said before, not many trials at all in some areas. All of that makes it darn tough to get those elusive Bonus points for qualifying.

I really don't understand Chris' comment, "So you would essentially just have to show up and get a automatic invite to Champs." How different is that from any other class winner? Sure, the odds are totally in favor of a regular class dog Q'ing and "winning" the class that way, but how fair is that to the Bonus dogs? It should be an equal playing field. Actually, what does it hurt to "invite" these Bonus dogs? In some situations it's more than likely they won't be coming to Champs anyway due to distance, costs, etc. But if they are able to come now that they have been "invited" - how fun would that be to see dogs from all over the country who may not have been able to get those Bonus points due to lack of trials? It would be awesome!  ;D

Please re-think this, Chris and Amanda. What harm is it? It sure won't be much added extra time at Champs for a few extra Bonus runs. You also get more entry fees! Yay!

Thanks,
Kyle
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Foomin Z on January 11, 2018, 08:54:27 AM

Very exciting!

How many Regionals can a team attend?  Iím guessing there is no limit?

Excited to see where they all are.

Robin & Surge

Attending multiple would be fine, although we would obviously only count one win.

If someone did win first place in two different regionals, and if only one counts, would the person in second place in the second Regional be the winner for that class? Or would the repeat winner just not count for that class, but no one else would take over the first spot either?
In USDAA, the regionals winner is the winner, and the bye is not passed down to the next place, because the next place dog did not truly earn it according to the rules. That would not be fair to the dog who did the work correctly.

AAC has a way to bypass this, by actually defining regions. If someone competes at a regional that is not their "home region" they are not allowed to earn a placement, and therefore cannot take top spots away from others.

So, NADAC has choices for how they want to treat this situation.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: AndreaEntin on January 11, 2018, 12:51:12 PM
Thanks for the information Chris.

Looks like I might not even have to travel for a regionals. Being a bonus entrant I would hate to snag a spot from another dog in regular divisions, since I would enter stakes anyway.

Andrea

Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 11, 2018, 05:01:05 PM
With all Regional winners getting an automatic bye into the Finals round at Championships, does this mean that Champs winners will be determined by the Finals score only or will it remain as it is now (highest cumulative score for all 8 rounds)?



Same as always.  Cumulative score over all 8 rounds
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 11, 2018, 05:02:14 PM

Very exciting!

How many Regionals can a team attend?  Iím guessing there is no limit?

Excited to see where they all are.

Robin & Surge

Attending multiple would be fine, although we would obviously only count one win.

If someone did win first place in two different regionals, and if only one counts, would the person in second place in the second Regional be the winner for that class? Or would the repeat winner just not count for that class, but no one else would take over the first spot either?

We wouldn't allow someone to win multiple times.    They could attend multiple ones, but once they win they are no longer in contention for winning another.   
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 11, 2018, 05:46:31 PM
This sounds good!  Just one question - how will Stakes play into the regionals?
Linda

At this point we're not going to be doing stakes for the regionals anymore.    They don't really make any sense to be used in a regional since the main advantage is getting to run in finals, which all bonus dogs get to do regardless.

And I would hate to see a dog going to Championships just from winning a regional, when the odds are incredibly great it would be the only dog there in certain areas.    So you would essentially just have to show up and get a automatic invite to Champs.    Which isn't really in the spirit of what we're trying to do here.

I'm hoping that I am completely misunderstanding what Chris has said regarding Stakes at all the Regionals otherwise I will be really disappointed with the concept of having a "Regional" program. From my perspective (I do Bonus runs at trials and have *and continue to want to* run in Stakes at Champs  :D), being able to run in Finals wouldn't be the "main advantage" to winning the class at a Regional because, yes, Stakes dogs run in the Finals. It's the opportunity to be able to get the "automatic invite" that is *THE* super duper "prize". It's hard enough to get a Bonus run as it is, even harder now that in some areas there are less trials available to try and, as Chris has said before, not many trials at all in some areas. All of that makes it darn tough to get those elusive Bonus points for qualifying.

I really don't understand Chris' comment, "So you would essentially just have to show up and get a automatic invite to Champs." How different is that from any other class winner? Sure, the odds are totally in favor of a regular class dog Q'ing and "winning" the class that way, but how fair is that to the Bonus dogs? It should be an equal playing field. Actually, what does it hurt to "invite" these Bonus dogs? In some situations it's more than likely they won't be coming to Champs anyway due to distance, costs, etc. But if they are able to come now that they have been "invited" - how fun would that be to see dogs from all over the country who may not have been able to get those Bonus points due to lack of trials? It would be awesome!  ;D

Please re-think this, Chris and Amanda. What harm is it? It sure won't be much added extra time at Champs for a few extra Bonus runs. You also get more entry fees! Yay!

Thanks,
Kyle

We talked about it at length today with a few different folks.

We can't do winners.    I just don't feel okay with having one dog showing up, getting the highest score because they are the only dog, and getting an invite to Champs.

But, I think we can make it work where a good bonus team can still get an invite to Champs via a regional weekend alone.     We're going to work out some more details over the next couple days and when the kinks are straightened we'll post the criteria on the regional page.

There won't be winners.    But there could be a Champs invite in the deal.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Kyle on January 12, 2018, 07:03:50 AM

We talked about it at length today with a few different folks.

We can't do winners.    I just don't feel okay with having one dog showing up, getting the highest score because they are the only dog, and getting an invite to Champs.

But, I think we can make it work where a good bonus team can still get an invite to Champs via a regional weekend alone.     We're going to work out some more details over the next couple days and when the kinks are straightened we'll post the criteria on the regional page.

There won't be winners.    But there could be a Champs invite in the deal.

Please consider this - what would you do if there is only one, let's say, 4" dog at a Regional? Does it have to be "good" (as you stated a bonus team would have to be)? Tough decisions!  :(

I will look forward to seeing the criteria.

Thanks,
Kyle
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: dogrsqr on January 12, 2018, 08:01:00 AM
That was my thought too Kyle, separate from Stakes.  Some of the regionals could potentially be pretty small, with small classes.  There are very few people who travel to trials in our area.  I think we had 9 people at Champs last year which was a big group for us and those are pretty much the only people who travel for trials.

Gina
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 12, 2018, 12:54:31 PM

We talked about it at length today with a few different folks.

We can't do winners.    I just don't feel okay with having one dog showing up, getting the highest score because they are the only dog, and getting an invite to Champs.

But, I think we can make it work where a good bonus team can still get an invite to Champs via a regional weekend alone.     We're going to work out some more details over the next couple days and when the kinks are straightened we'll post the criteria on the regional page.

There won't be winners.    But there could be a Champs invite in the deal.

Please consider this - what would you do if there is only one, let's say, 4" dog at a Regional? Does it have to be "good" (as you stated a bonus team would have to be)? Tough decisions!  :(

I will look forward to seeing the criteria.

Thanks,
Kyle

If there was only one 4" team they wouldn't get the bye.   It has to be a competition.

If they wanted to be grouped with the next highest height group, then they could go for it.    But I absolutely will not be letting anyone get an invite just for showing up.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: David Tharle on January 12, 2018, 02:36:24 PM
Regional locations & dates are posted on the Website.

https://www.nadac.com/Regionals.html

Dave
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Amy McGovern on January 12, 2018, 02:55:19 PM
Is there any chance others will be added?  And do we *need* to do regionals to go to champs?

-Amy
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 12, 2018, 03:01:36 PM
Is there any chance others will be added?  And do we *need* to do regionals to go to champs?

-Amy

No more will be added for 2018. 

And definitely not!   The normal qualifying points for Champs haven't changed at all.    This will just be a fast track way to get there, with a little bonus added.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Amy McGovern on January 12, 2018, 04:05:49 PM
Ok, thanks Chris!  We have a crazy busy schedule this summer so I'm just not sure we can make the regionals.  But my son really wants to go to champs this year so I'm trying to find a way to make it work. 
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Foomin Z on January 12, 2018, 07:51:05 PM
And if the Maryland trial is snowed out?? With the winter we've been having, I wouldn't be surprised if we are still having blizzards by end of March. How is it that all the other dates are more firmly entrenched in spring/summer?
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: LFuller on January 12, 2018, 11:10:22 PM
Chris,

When I read your original statement "We're not going to do Stakes for regionals anymore", I was shocked. It made no sense to me that you would eliminate a group of people and their dogs. I'm glad that I read on to see that you are reconsidering your original statement and are trying to determine a way to include the Stakes competitors. Yay!  I'm glad that you have made this decision and I look forward to the results of it.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 13, 2018, 07:05:33 AM
And if the Maryland trial is snowed out?? With the winter we've been having, I wouldn't be surprised if we are still having blizzards by end of March. How is it that all the other dates are more firmly entrenched in spring/summer?

There is only so much we can do.   We're trying not to do any regionals past the middle of August.   So that it's a legitimate regional qualifier for the current year.     And since we really want to hash this idea out very well before we let clubs do it on their own, one of the NADAC staff has to be present.    That limits the scheduling pretty severely for 2018 since we are already fairly busy
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on January 15, 2018, 02:26:41 AM
Quote from Chris:"We wouldn't allow someone to win multiple times.    They could attend multiple ones, but once they win they are no longer in contention for winning another."

Follow up question: if someone who had already won a regional attended another Regional, and came in first place, with the person who came in number 2 be the winner, or would there be no winner at all for that particular class in the second Regional?
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 15, 2018, 08:25:33 AM
Quote from Chris:"We wouldn't allow someone to win multiple times.    They could attend multiple ones, but once they win they are no longer in contention for winning another."

Follow up question: if someone who had already won a regional attended another Regional, and came in first place, with the person who came in number 2 be the winner, or would there be no winner at all for that particular class in the second Regional?


It would go to the next in line :)

We'll have to work out specifics for those scenarios, like whether we would still announce them as the winner, but give the invite and bye to #2.

I don't expect it to be a huge occurrence, because the regionals are spread out pretty far
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Maureen deHaan on January 16, 2018, 03:10:02 AM
And if the Maryland trial is snowed out?? With the winter we've been having, I wouldn't be surprised if we are still having blizzards by end of March. How is it that all the other dates are more firmly entrenched in spring/summer?



Quite frankly I would rather run my dogs in cooler early spring weather. And having been to both Maryland sites - which are lovely with great footing and indoors and lots of parking - probably some of  the criteria for the regional - I can tell you that I GO there in winter to escape the NY Snow bc they often do not have the snow that we get in NY . Thirdly, the liklihood of a "blizzard" in Maryland the end of March / start of April is highly unlikely - not that it couldn't happen but it's unlikely here in NY too at that time of year (speaking of the areas where you live Lisa, and where I live - which are not that far apart - not speaking of Buffalo).
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: dogrsqr on January 16, 2018, 06:14:56 AM
Just wondering IF Gamblers were to return would Chances remain as a class?

Gina
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 16, 2018, 10:46:16 AM
Just wondering IF Gamblers were to return would Chances remain as a class?

Gina

Absolutely!

Right now it's going to be so distinctively different from Chances that I can't foresee Chances going away.

Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: dogrsqr on January 16, 2018, 10:57:31 AM
Awesome!  I miss Gamblers but really find Chances to be a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: danforth on January 16, 2018, 12:54:11 PM
Can someone give me a summary of the NADAC version of gamblers?  We have never seen it.

Isabel and Cocoa
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Ed and Dino on January 16, 2018, 04:31:36 PM
Just wondering IF Gamblers were to return would Chances remain as a class?

Gina

Absolutely!

Right now it's going to be so distinctively different from Chances that I can't foresee Chances going away.

I understand this new Gamblers will be tried at Regionals but I would be concerned to see NADAC bring in another game and then lose any existing one.

NADAC has 8 classes already and in some areas it is hard to find Hoopers or Barrelers. I would dislike either of these to go away. I never liked Strategic Hoopers so to lose one of these for a strategy game is not appealing to me.

For those trials that stick to the 6 older classes then I would hate to see one of those switched out for a new class.

I remember seeing the old Gambler's being run once (2004?) when visiting a trial before I started entering trials and it was very confusing to me watching, I didn't understand it at all. Of course at this same trial I remember seeing a person run with their dog and not use any verbal commands and I thought that dog might do better with some verbal commands. The dog was deaf and I was a very green dog agility spectator.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 17, 2018, 08:31:11 AM
Can someone give me a summary of the NADAC version of gamblers?  We have never seen it.

Isabel and Cocoa

To give an example of what it used to be wouldn't really be too helpful, since the way we used to do things was pretty drastically different from what we would be doing now.

We also are a little cautious about posting any rules online.    Since this is strictly a test run to see if it could even work it's very possible the rules will evolve over the course of each regional.   So to post a rule set, only to have it change would be detrimental to a lot of folks.

So we'll just lay out the rules at the events to avoid any confusion :)
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 17, 2018, 08:34:17 AM
Just wondering IF Gamblers were to return would Chances remain as a class?

Gina

Absolutely!

Right now it's going to be so distinctively different from Chances that I can't foresee Chances going away.

I understand this new Gamblers will be tried at Regionals but I would be concerned to see NADAC bring in another game and then lose any existing one.

NADAC has 8 classes already and in some areas it is hard to find Hoopers or Barrelers. I would dislike either of these to go away. I never liked Strategic Hoopers so to lose one of these for a strategy game is not appealing to me.

For those trials that stick to the 6 older classes then I would hate to see one of those switched out for a new class.

I remember seeing the old Gambler's being run once (2004?) when visiting a trial before I started entering trials and it was very confusing to me watching, I didn't understand it at all. Of course at this same trial I remember seeing a person run with their dog and not use any verbal commands and I thought that dog might do better with some verbal commands. The dog was deaf and I was a very green dog agility spectator.

Different strokes for different folks :)

It all comes down to supply and demand.   If a certain area really wants to do hoopers and barrelers then they wouldn't need to offer these.

If they really want to offer these they don't need to offer hoopers and barrelers.     Contrary to how a lot of folks think, you really don't need to offer every single class the venue has on a trial weekend!    It's okay to only play the games that people in that area enjoy.

With Barrelers now being allowed in VT runs, and Hoopers always being allowed it does open up those classes to be run outside of a trial for the folks who really want to.   And the equipment cost for those two classes is incredibly low in comparison to any other class.

The other thing to remember, is these are only tests.   Even if things went incredibly well and every single area of the country loved them, it's still not going to come be a NADAC class until everything is worked out very, very well.   And that takes time
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on January 17, 2018, 10:09:08 AM
Have there been any decisions made regarding Bonus runs at Regionals?  I know you had said you'd be discussing it further.
Linda
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: MoabDiane on January 17, 2018, 11:35:57 AM
Oh, I would LOVE to see a strategic game return!  I always loved the "old" Gamblers. (and heck, I liked strategic hoopers too....so there I am!)

The reasons (at least the ones I heard) for it going away made no sense to me, but I won't go there.

I (flame suit on) also do USDAA, and their gamblers is much like NADAC's old version.
BUT each and every course/judge has different rules!  One might say "contact to contact is OK" or they might say "no contact to contact without another obstacle in-between" or "back to back OK" or "back to back not OK."  I've never seen a problem with these individual "rules!"  So, competitors are essentially prohibited from creating unsafe courses.  It all depends on how the obstacles are arranged whether contact to contact is safe or not (etc.). 

All THAT said, yeah, I get the "we have enough different classes now."  And while it might not *replace* Chances, if a club wanted to offer it, there might be inclination to drop something else.
And hopefully the long-term "what will it mean" will be considered:  added to another level of NATCH?  or other award?  Yeah, I like having goals, but won't run my dogs in all classes when there are so many. 

Looking forward to more details!  (as I won't likely get to any regional....)

diane
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Roger Coor on January 17, 2018, 03:34:26 PM
No Regional anywhere in the Southwest?  Washington and East Texas are a long way away.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Connie Day on January 17, 2018, 07:55:24 PM
No Regional anywhere in the Southwest?  Washington and East Texas are a long way away.
There was already a regional in Reno, NV.  Wouldn't that cover the Southwest?
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Kyle on January 18, 2018, 06:43:42 AM
Have there been any decisions made regarding Bonus runs at Regionals?  I know you had said you'd be discussing it further.
Linda

Linda,

Chris had told us to keep an eye on the NADAC website for updated info on the Regionals. A few days ago, under "Events", "NADAC Regionals", there's some basic entry type information, one item is this: "Teams wanting to enter into the Stakes divisions at Champs can also earn an invite via a regional." This leads me to believe that Stakes classes will be offered and we will have the opportunity to win an invite. Since there is no information stating that competition is required to earn an invite, I'm going with the idea that Chris changed his mind.  ;D Yay!  ;D Thank you Chris!!!

Hope this helps,
-Kyle
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 18, 2018, 09:37:52 AM
Have there been any decisions made regarding Bonus runs at Regionals?  I know you had said you'd be discussing it further.
Linda

Linda,

Chris had told us to keep an eye on the NADAC website for updated info on the Regionals. A few days ago, under "Events", "NADAC Regionals", there's some basic entry type information, one item is this: "Teams wanting to enter into the Stakes divisions at Champs can also earn an invite via a regional." This leads me to believe that Stakes classes will be offered and we will have the opportunity to win an invite. Since there is no information stating that competition is required to earn an invite, I'm going with the idea that Chris changed his mind.  ;D Yay!  ;D Thank you Chris!!!

Hope this helps,
-Kyle

I think we came up with a decent compromise. 

Like I mentioned it can't be via competition between people, because 90% of the areas wouldn't have enough entries.

So over the 4 rounds of Regular where the Regional scoring takes place we will put down 3 lines.   Super, Silver and Starter.

To get an invite would require you to meet these requirements:

Super: 3 Bonuses from the Super Stakes line.   With 2 of those being over 100 DRI

Silver: 2 Bonuses from the Silver Stakes line

Starter: 1 Bonus from the Starter Stakes line.

The higher level lines would cascade down to the other levels.   So if you got 2 Super Stakes Bonuses those would also count towards Starter and Silver.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on January 18, 2018, 09:39:21 AM
Have there been any decisions made regarding Bonus runs at Regionals?  I know you had said you'd be discussing it further.
Linda

Linda,

Chris had told us to keep an eye on the NADAC website for updated info on the Regionals. A few days ago, under "Events", "NADAC Regionals", there's some basic entry type information, one item is this: "Teams wanting to enter into the Stakes divisions at Champs can also earn an invite via a regional." This leads me to believe that Stakes classes will be offered and we will have the opportunity to win an invite. Since there is no information stating that competition is required to earn an invite, I'm going with the idea that Chris changed his mind.  ;D Yay!  ;D Thank you Chris!!!

Hope this helps,
-Kyle
Thanks, Kyle!  I missed that information.
Linda
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Jeff Newman on January 25, 2018, 08:03:00 AM
Hi Chris,
On January 17 Roger asked for information regarding a regional in the southwest.
The closest is an 18 hour drive and longer for those west of Arizona.
Is there any consideration for adding a southwestern regional?
Thanks
Jeff
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Amanda Nelson on January 25, 2018, 04:16:21 PM
Hi Chris,
On January 17 Roger asked for information regarding a regional in the southwest.
The closest is an 18 hour drive and longer for those west of Arizona.
Is there any consideration for adding a southwestern regional?
Thanks
Jeff

The Regional last year held in Reno, NV counts as the southwestern-ish type regional. :-) Chris may do a test run of the new ďgamblersĒ type class at the Norco Fundraiser in May, but nothing is set in stone yet.

Thanks,  :-)
Amanda


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Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Jeff Newman on January 26, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Thanks for the response Amanda! 8)
I do remember there was a regional in Reno last year. Southwestern-ish 12 hour drive aside, there was also another event at the same time last year in Ohio. There have also been some rule changes for regional competition which were not in place at the time last year. :) So the answer to my question would be no, NADAC is not considering a 2018 regional with the current rules in place closer to Arizona than 18 hours? :)
Thanks,
Jeff   :(
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Amanda Nelson on January 26, 2018, 05:50:42 PM
Thanks for the response Amanda! 8)
I do remember there was a regional in Reno last year. Southwestern-ish 12 hour drive aside, there was also another event at the same time last year in Ohio. There have also been some rule changes for regional competition which were not in place at the time last year. :) So the answer to my question would be no, NADAC is not considering a 2018 regional with the current rules in place closer to Arizona than 18 hours? :)
Thanks,
Jeff   :(

Unless something changes, I doubt we will be adding another regional. Both of our schedules are so booked, I donít think we would be able to find another date to make work for everyone....
:-(

Amanda


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Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 28, 2018, 05:33:03 AM
There just isn't enough time this year in our schedules to host another regional.

And the more pressing issue is that dogs who attended the Reno Regional got their invites and byes for Champs.   So to hold another one would double up on the number of folks who could get them, which wouldn't be fair to the rest of the country that is only getting one regional in their respective areas
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso on January 29, 2018, 07:38:06 AM
So, is this year's regional good only for this years Champs?  I don't plan on attending Champs this year because it is just too far, but if I should win (which is not likely) would that hold over for next year? and who would then get my spot for this year?
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: KarissaKS on January 29, 2018, 09:46:33 AM
Nobody would "get your spot." The winners of each regional get a pass into the finals round, which is a courtesy. If the regional winner(s) don't attend Champs then only the standard top 33% of competitors will run in finals.

The finals round at Champs is already very large. I don't think we need to worry about bumping up 2nd or 3rd place regional placements to "fill" it.

There are many people who attend the Regional events of various organizations and have absolutely no plan to attend the national event. If you win a Bye in USDAA you can't pass that on to someone else and it must be used in that qualifying year.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 29, 2018, 06:06:37 PM
Exactly like Karissa said.

The most we will do is for the folks who win and can't come to Champs for 2018, is a discounted entry for the following year.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Cathie Cage on January 29, 2018, 06:52:46 PM
So if you win a regional do you still have to pay your entry fee to champs?
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Chris Nelson on January 29, 2018, 07:45:32 PM
So if you win a regional do you still have to pay your entry fee to champs?

We can do a discount! 
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Lindsey Cooper on January 30, 2018, 08:17:47 AM
While it's nice for NADAC to consider a discount for Regional winners, I personally think it isn't needed or it should be a small discount since NADAC still needs to make money! Regional winners are already getting automatically allowed into champs, so they do not need to get the required Q's to qualify for champs. This is great for younger dogs or people who do not have very many trials close by.

Like someone else mentioned, in USDAA if you get a regional qualifier, all it does is give you a bye into the second round. If you don't go, you lose it. The teams do not get a discount (other than the money saved from not entering the first round).

Chris and Amanda have been extremely generous in trying to work with everyone.

I do not have a regional event anywhere near CO this year, but I have champs close by, so that works!

Lindsey
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Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso on January 30, 2018, 08:55:37 AM
Exactly like Karissa said.

The most we will do is for the folks who win and can't come to Champs for 2018, is a discounted entry for the following year.

Thanks!  That makes sense.  I was just confirming what I thought. 
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Cathie Cage on January 30, 2018, 09:17:24 AM
Lindsey it was just a question, I thought maybe I missed something because someone asked what if they won and couldn't go this year to champs. And when Chris responded that you would get a discount on next years entry fee. So I wasn't sure if winning regional gave you a bye into champs including entry fees.
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: dogrsqr on January 30, 2018, 09:26:04 AM
I agree with Lindsey.  I don't think a discount is really necessary.

I'm kind of not liking the idea of the regional events as it seems it's just stirring up all those old conversations about locations.  If you now add a discount that just adds fuel to the fire.  I would assume if the regionals continue they would move around each year so people from most areas will eventually have one closer to them. 

We travel 5 hours to multiple regular trials a year just to get some NADAC trials on our calendar.

Gina

Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: RobertStewart on January 30, 2018, 09:49:15 AM
My thoughts on this ... my $0.02 worth:

if you earn a bye it is only good for the year it's earned. 
If you earn it and don't use it, you still have "bragging rights"
I've earned several byes into Cynosports,  but I've never used them.
However, i did brag on both of dogs who earned them.

There's no legit reason to do a free or even a discounted entry for the current or future.
Other venues where you earn a bye, its only good for the year, and there are no discounts on
entry fees. Clubs still have to have a profitable event after all.

robert
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on January 30, 2018, 11:50:49 AM
I have to agree with others who say there should be no discount for future Champs.  If you qualify(or earn a bye) for a given year, that's for that year.  Who knows that will happen in the next year.  It's up to each individual to decide if they want to go to Champs where ever they are held.
Linda
Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: Sharon Nelson on January 30, 2018, 11:58:38 AM
My thoughts on this ... my $0.02 worth:

if you earn a bye it is only good for the year it's earned. 
If you earn it and don't use it, you still have "bragging rights"
I've earned several byes into Cynosports,  but I've never used them.
However, i did brag on both of dogs who earned them.

There's no legit reason to do a free or even a discounted entry for the current or future.
Other venues where you earn a bye, its only good for the year, and there are no discounts on
entry fees. Clubs still have to have a profitable event after all.

robert

Bragging rights are good and it is the incentive for many that know they won't be able to make the big event, but they know they could have!

Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: RobertStewart on January 30, 2018, 12:01:52 PM
My thoughts on this ... my $0.02 worth:

if you earn a bye it is only good for the year it's earned. 
If you earn it and don't use it, you still have "bragging rights"
I've earned several byes into Cynosports,  but I've never used them.
However, i did brag on both of dogs who earned them.

There's no legit reason to do a free or even a discounted entry for the current or future.
Other venues where you earn a bye, its only good for the year, and there are no discounts on
entry fees. Clubs still have to have a profitable event after all.

robert

Bragging rights are good and it is the incentive for many that know they won't be able to make the big event, but they know they could have!
Totally agree with that !


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Title: Re: Regional info
Post by: BeckyAH on January 30, 2018, 02:22:54 PM
My thoughts on this ... my $0.02 worth:

if you earn a bye it is only good for the year it's earned. 
If you earn it and don't use it, you still have "bragging rights"
I've earned several byes into Cynosports,  but I've never used them.
However, i did brag on both of dogs who earned them.

There's no legit reason to do a free or even a discounted entry for the current or future.
Other venues where you earn a bye, its only good for the year, and there are no discounts on
entry fees. Clubs still have to have a profitable event after all.

robert

Bragging rights are good and it is the incentive for many that know they won't be able to make the big event, but they know they could have!
Totally agree with that !


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Yep. I absolutely cannot afford to attend Champs on a "West" Year, but QUALIFYING IS STILL A GOAL, you know? It's a milestone and accomplishment that's tangible all on its own.