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Title: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on July 23, 2012, 04:09:04 AM
I am working on premiums for the rest of the year.   When do I need to add barrels to the list of obstacles?
When will we be seeing barrels at regular trials?
Thanks
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: dogrsqr on July 23, 2012, 11:56:01 AM
And how many will a club need to have?

Gina Pizzo
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 25, 2012, 02:14:44 PM
And how many will a club need to have?

Gina Pizzo

1 or 2 and course selections would depend on whether you have one or two!!

Sharon
Title: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Alanna Leach on July 25, 2012, 03:27:23 PM
My club, and two other local clubs each bought a set of the Seventeen Flat sets of three, giving us 9 altogether.  We share them as needed.  It works well.


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Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 25, 2012, 04:07:20 PM
I am working on premiums for the rest of the year.   When do I need to add barrels to the list of obstacles?
When will we be seeing barrels at regular trials?
Thanks

You won't need any for the premiums for the rest of this year....

Sharon
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Jackie Brasen on July 26, 2012, 01:28:47 AM
I am working on premiums for the rest of the year.   When do I need to add barrels to the list of obstacles?
When will we be seeing barrels at regular trials?
Thanks

You won't need any for the premiums for the rest of this year....

Sharon

When will clubs need to have barrels as available equipment by?
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 27, 2012, 09:33:41 AM

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When will clubs need to have barrels as available equipment by?

Mid-2013 and that will be optional until mid-2014.  Many clubs want to add barrels and they will be allowed to do so.... while other clubs won't have to if they don't want to for another year.

Sharon

Sharon
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on July 27, 2012, 09:35:50 AM
Will clubs that plan to use barrels in their trials have to list that fact in their premium?

Linda
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Sharon Nelson on July 27, 2012, 10:01:20 AM
Will clubs that plan to use barrels in their trials have to list that fact in their premium?

Linda

Yes.  Keeps the uproar down............ of course, one expects that people do read the premiums....

Maybe the front cover!!

Sharon
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: mephalon on July 27, 2012, 10:11:33 AM
Can a club put a barrel out in the warm up area- even if they are not being used at the trial?  That way people can see what they are.

Thanks
Title: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on July 27, 2012, 08:08:43 PM
If we are going to see barrels at champs, I as well as many exhibitors that attend my trials and will attend champs next year would really like to see barrels before mid 2013.    We need to practice them at trials.

So can the timeline please change to January 2013?



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Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: cheerily999 on July 28, 2012, 05:34:39 PM
So barrels will become a required obstacle in mid-2014?

Cheryl Henning
Salem, OR
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: dmadrid on July 30, 2012, 07:46:39 AM
And will there be an option after 2014 to continue to not use barrels? 

I've talked with my club, and no one is interested in having barrels (it really doesn't matter how flat they fold, we don't have much storage space, and they would be basically unused items taking up valuable space), and it seems silly to spend a couple hundred dollars on something that we won't use.... 

Best,
Danielle
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: DebbieRodden on July 30, 2012, 10:20:02 AM
What is the purpose of the barrels?  Are they replacing another piece of equipment?  I'm trying to visualize the purpose and how they would be used on the agility course, say Regular for instance or are they just part of the games classes.

Do the dogs just run up to them, then around them and on to the next piece of equipment on course?  Looks like I'll have to teach Savannah another skill for this piece of equipment.

Thanks!

Deb and Savannah
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Chris Nelson on July 30, 2012, 11:38:06 AM
I was going to try and answer the questions I could as best as I could.  But then I looked back at my Mothers posts (Sharon) and saw that she already has.

But I will highlight them again.

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And will there be an option after 2014 to continue to not use barrels?

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Mid-2013 and that will be optional until mid-2014.  Many clubs want to add barrels and they will be allowed to do so.... while other clubs won't have to if they don't want to for another year.
Detailed answer: Not Mandatory until 2014.

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So barrels will become a required obstacle in mid-2014?
Yes.

And now for the questions that weren't answered I will do my best.

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If we are going to see barrels at champs, I as well as many exhibitors that attend my trials and will attend champs next year would really like to see barrels before mid 2013.    We need to practice them at trials.

So can the timeline please change to January 2013?

I can't really say anything definitive since I don't sign the paychecks :)   But my gut feeling is that if a club is good with using barrels, and even better wants to see them, then it would not be hard to get courses with barrels.

My interpretation of the above statement about when they will start making star appearances is that in 2013 your judge may get courses that have barrels on them, but if your club has no barrels, or no desire to add them then those courses would not be chosen.   Where as in 2014 the clubs will be required to have them.  And the courses being picked will no longer be brought into the picture.   Again this is just my interpretation based on a educated opinion.

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Can a club put a barrel out in the warm up area- even if they are not being used at the trial?  That way people can see what they are.

I see no reason you can't.   Make it clear it's just there for demonstration and not going to be used in the trial just to contain any possible issues :)

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What is the purpose of the barrels?  Are they replacing another piece of equipment?  I'm trying to visualize the purpose and how they would be used on the agility course, say Regular for instance or are they just part of the games classes.

Do the dogs just run up to them, then around them and on to the next piece of equipment on course?  Looks like I'll have to teach Savannah another skill for this piece of equipment.

They are being brought in as a entirely new piece.  If they would be replacing anything consistently, it would be U-shaped tunnels.

As for how they are performed.  For now they are being used as Bi-Directional obstacles.   So for the U-shaped tunnel example it would be performed in the exact same way as a tunnel, pick a side and go around it.  If your dog is quick and efficient on his turns he does it faster and gets a better time.  Inefficient and the inverse is true.   

I personally like the idea of the barrels as they will add a very large number of options to a course once they are being used to their full potential.  And for someone who has been doing agility their entire life, some new options are a very welcomed thing :)

I would gladly give multiple examples of how a barrel is used, but in my experience trying to explain something simplistically through a computer with my words...well it tends to get cluttered :) 

Next time I am out working with barrels I will shoot some video and get it uploaded for you guys to see some options.




Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Jackie Brasen on July 30, 2012, 12:21:46 PM

They are being brought in as a entirely new piece.  If they would be replacing anything consistently, it would be U-shaped tunnels.

As for how they are performed.  For now they are being used as Bi-Directional obstacles.   So for the U-shaped tunnel example it would be performed in the exact same way as a tunnel, pick a side and go around it.  If your dog is quick and efficient on his turns he does it faster and gets a better time.  Inefficient and the inverse is true.   

I personally like the idea of the barrels as they will add a very large number of options to a course once they are being used to their full potential.  And for someone who has been doing agility their entire life, some new options are a very welcomed thing :)

I would gladly give multiple examples of how a barrel is used, but in my experience trying to explain something simplistically through a computer with my words...well it tends to get cluttered :) 

Next time I am out working with barrels I will shoot some video and get it uploaded for you guys to see some options.

Below is a youtube link of a Regular course with a barrel - this was at a funraiser. I think barrels integrated with 'normal' agility is easier to understand when you see it, even better when you experience it... the dog running this course had seen barrels a total of three times previous to running this course - twice at home the week prior we practiced with much smaller fold up laundry hamper style barrels and once the day of this run there was a barrel in the warm up area. His foundation training did include going around all sorts of objects.

But, the point is the dogs that day didn't really have a problem seeing a barrel on course. As is often the case it is more of a mental thing for the human side of the team.  ;)

Journey NADAC Elite Regular 5/26/2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBKCgUMTOT0#ws)
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: DebbieRodden on July 30, 2012, 02:18:53 PM
Thanks Chris and thanks Jackie for posting the video.  The barrel is being used exactly how I imagined it would on that course.  Definitely a new skill to teach my dog, we'll have to work on that in the backyard since we don't have them in class at all.
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on July 30, 2012, 03:57:22 PM
Deb
Bring one to class and get people hooked on them :) :)  Don't say it is a new NADAC obstacle, but just another piece of equipment you are using !!!!

Most of us have used garbage cans for YEARs to send our dogs around.... this is no different :)
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Jackie Brasen on July 30, 2012, 06:52:11 PM
Deb
Bring one to class and get people hooked on them :) :)  Don't say it is a new NADAC obstacle, but just another piece of equipment you are using !!!!

Most of us have used garbage cans for YEARs to send our dogs around.... this is no different :)

Exactly Lisa!! around trees, garbage cans, traffic cones, benches... we send out and around from day one. Deb you say this is a skill your dog doesn't have, I wonder though if you have encountered the similar setup that had a hoop that is wrapped? It's pretty much the same thing handling wise and almost the same for the dogs. Actually I think the barrel is an easier wrap for the dog than a hoop is.

Give it a shot, your pups may surprise you at how easy they think it is. & I'm with Lisa, don't call it a new NADAC obstacle. Bring one of the $6 leaf barrels to class and say it is a fancy new training method to help teach the dog and handler how to execute smooth wraps.  or something like that   ;)
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Natasha Osborn on July 30, 2012, 07:02:42 PM
I say, bring them on!  If you can draw a good path, you can run your dogs around barrels with no problems.  They are fun, safe and another great addition/vision by the powers that be at NADAC.  Give them a try and a chance.  You'll like them.  Remember the stink when hoops were introduced?  No ones complaining now!  :)
Natasha Osborn
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Lisa Schmit In The Zone Agility on July 31, 2012, 03:55:07 AM
Oh Natasha I wish it were so..... I still hear complaining about hoops.       In fact my last trial, I had a new person come up to me and say that the hoops were not as bad as all her friends ( that would not come to nadac trial) said they were !  I told her also to make a hoop and bring it to class.    If I was quick thinking (damn I am getting old)  I would have given her a darn hoop !!!       

Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: DebbieRodden on July 31, 2012, 02:51:50 PM
I also still hear complaining about the hoops too.  I could bring a barrel to class but my instructor shows NADAC so she probably knows they are coming.  Most of my current classmates however do not do much NADAC with the exception of one of them.  Savannah could probably figure it out after a few tries, I could use a target to at first for her.  Good idea on the leaf barrel, that is exactly what I'm going to get!  I'm trying really hard to get her qualified for Champs next year and if she makes it I'd like to make sure she is comfortable with barrels by then.

Deb and Savannah
Title: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Jackie Brasen on July 31, 2012, 05:43:13 PM
They have them for $6 at dollar general - they are a bit smaller (shorter & more skinny) than what you'll see at a trial but it's the same concept and seems to work as a good substitute for practice.

I too still hear complaints about hoops. I always offer directions on how to make them cheap and if at the trial point out that they are on the warm up area. It just varies, sometimes we can win them over, sometimes they are the type that live negatively and need to have something to complain about. Unfortunately NADAC is an easy target.


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Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Sionnach on August 08, 2012, 05:49:24 AM
One thing I haven't seen mentioned anywhere (entirely possible it's been mentioned & I just haven't seen it!), and would very much like to know: What are the specs for barrels? IOW, are they required to be a specific size and/or material? 

I'm training my dogs with a solid object, but have been hearing about people using lightweight "pop up" articles, and have also heard that lightweight pop-up ones can MOVE IN THE WIND. That, I'm a bit concerned about since it's liable to spook one of my dogs, and I'm not sure I could create the effect consistently enough in training  even if I tracked down a lightweight barrel.

Even aside from that, I'm planning to try and track down something as close to what will be official for our home training, and would like details of what the obstacle requirements are going to be, especially the circumference.
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Linda - Washington on December 21, 2012, 10:01:00 AM
Where can we purchase pop-up barrels that are of the correct height/diameter?  What classes will possibly include a barrel as an obstacle? 

Linda H - Washington State
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Dave Worldsbesjrts Dad on December 21, 2012, 01:13:23 PM
If your dog likes to run fast he and you will love barrels
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Sharon Nelson on December 22, 2012, 10:17:18 AM
Where can we purchase pop-up barrels that are of the correct height/diameter?  What classes will possibly include a barrel as an obstacle? 

Linda H - Washington State

The barrels can be the soft, pop-up type or they can be rigid.  The barrels can be 18-24" across and 24-36" high.

Sharon
Title: Re: what is time line for barrels
Post by: Linda on January 14, 2013, 01:46:39 PM
Hello,
Just wondering if we will be seeing barrels in the courses at Champs 2013 in Springfield?