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Title: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Karin Bell on November 29, 2018, 12:51:33 PM
We are having a discussion about NATCh Poles.  Do clubs offer poles to teams for every NATCh they earn or only for specific ones?  If only for specific ones, how do you determine which ones are the 'right' ones?  If you do not offer for every NATCh earned, do you offer the option for the exhibitor to be able to pay for it instead?  And if so, at what price? 

How do you compensate the person who makes the Poles?  Are they a volunteer?  Do they get a free entry for the work?  Are they paid a wage instead?  Are they paid by the pole? 

Thanks in advance for this discussion.
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Marj Vincent on November 29, 2018, 02:45:35 PM
We give the exhibitor the option of either a ribbon or pole, or both. If they earn a NATCH and a V-NATCH, we only give one bar with both Titles on them. 
The pole maker is voluntary for our local clubs ...no compensation for making them.
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Sarah Fix on November 29, 2018, 02:46:58 PM
We always have them available.  Generally people will take one for the 1st NATCH, 1st VNATCH and 1st All Around - but none after that.  If they get 2 at one trial, I'll add the lettering to make it work for both. 

I make the bar (for our NADAC and AKC Trials).  I charge $10 per bar so I probably make a little on each bar but if you add in all the waste in lettering, ribbons, driving around to find all the stuff, cutting the bars, acetone to clean the bars, etc. - it's probably not more than a dollar or two per pole if that.  For AKC, they order about 10 at a time.  For NADAC, I just charge whenever someone takes one.  And for Toys for Tots, I donate the finished bars.
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Lindsey Cooper on November 29, 2018, 03:06:42 PM
I always have NATCH bars on hand. I usually assume people who get NATCH 1-3 may want one, but I always ask just to make sure. If a competitor wants a bar, no matter what number the NATCH is, I will give them one.

Recently I started making mini-NATCH bars that are 2 ft long and not as fancy. These were a big hit at my last trial where we had 9 teams earn a NATCH! Many of them were #3 or above.

Photos attached.

Lindsey
www.mountaindogsports.com
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Amy McGovern on November 29, 2018, 03:54:13 PM
Speaking as mom to someone who just got his first NATCH's (he got all 3 AA, V and regular at once), he for sure wanted bars and a ribbon.  After all the thousands of dollars we have spent on agility, it seems pretty cheap for a club to ask us to pay for bars or a ribbon.  I'm extremely grateful that Dogs on Q had lovely ribbons AND bars and that you get them for free for earning your NATCH!
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: KarissaKS on November 29, 2018, 04:36:38 PM
When I moved to TN (from WI) I was utterly dismayed when I saw that the tradition at all of the AKC trials here is to take the bar from the last jump on course. No fancy decorated bar? A dirty old bar? After I spent all that money?  lol  Thankfully I know people who can cut decals for me so I can decorate them properly.

I really appreciate that the NADAC clubs here offer beautifully decorated bars and fantastic ribbons. Kaiser just did back to back weekends to get NATCH 4 followed by V-NATCH 3 and went out of my way to attend those trials because of their bling.  :)  If you want nice NATCH and AA-NATCH gear, come to TN!

I know it's an expense to clubs, but competitors do appreciate it.
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: mstomel on November 29, 2018, 09:05:10 PM
Our club only does a pole for the first Regular natch but you can have a ribbon for every one. There is a club in Cali that does these adorable short polls, like 1' ones. I think those are awesome. I want 2 and I want them to be nunchucks! It would make more sense to me to do that than a ribbon since those silly ribbons are like $40/each but I guess the consensus is that people want ribbons no matter what. A volunteer makes ours and is compensated for the supplies. I think people can pay her $30-$50 to make them one for any additional natch's. I think the origin of the poll was AKC and that you did take the last pole that your dog went over, which is a very pretty sentiment but I guess doesn't translate to Nadac well. The last jump we went over was a hoop! Some people love the polls. If I had Natch 35 and a pole for each you better believe most of my barn plumbing would be signed and decorated. 
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: David Tharle on November 30, 2018, 06:30:05 AM
We only have one trial a year and rarely have someone complete a NATCh (that said, last year we had a NATCh & a V-NATCh).  The idea of keeping a pole &/or ribbon looking "fresh/new" year to year didn't seem that feasible, so we give fancier engraved 1/2 gallon jars:  Club logo, handler/dog names, date and type of award (NATCh, V-NATCh,etc) filled with dog treats. We've done about 8 and they have been very well received. The one draw back is the team doesn't get it that day.

Dave
PAWSitive Dog Sports
Cold Lake, AB
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: knittingdog on November 30, 2018, 07:33:27 AM
We only have one trial a year and rarely have someone complete a NATCh (that said, last year we had a NATCh & a V-NATCh).  The idea of keeping a pole &/or ribbon looking "fresh/new" year to year didn't seem that feasible, so we give fancier engraved 1/2 gallon jars:  Club logo, handler/dog names, date and type of award (NATCh, V-NATCh,etc) filled with dog treats. We've done about 8 and they have been very well received. The one draw back is the team doesn't get it that day.

Dave
PAWSitive Dog Sports
Cold Lake, AB


I would love to see a picture of one of those.  Sounds really nice!

Robin



Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Rosemary on November 30, 2018, 07:56:08 AM
I always have NATCH bars on hand. I usually assume people who get NATCH 1-3 may want one, but I always ask just to make sure. If a competitor wants a bar, no matter what number the NATCH is, I will give them one.

Recently I started making mini-NATCH bars that are 2 ft long and not as fancy. These were a big hit at my last trial where we had 9 teams earn a NATCH! Many of them were #3 or above.

Photos attached.

Lindsey
www.mountaindogsports.com

I really like those shorter poles.  What a great idea!  Nice group shot too!
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Maureen deHaan on November 30, 2018, 08:24:40 AM
I always have NATCH bars on hand at trials I host - It's a nice wasy to commerorate a NATCH whether it be 1st or 100th :)

 I know I was happy to have one when my first 2 dogs earned their NATCHes - I don't take them for subsequent NATCH after #1 bc I just don't have room for more than 1

Zoe just earned her first NATCH and no pole was offered - it was kind of a bummer - thankfully my BFF had made me a special one that she gave me at class the week following the big event so I have that and it is very special!
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso on November 30, 2018, 09:58:03 AM
Most clubs by us don't do NATCH bars anymore.  I made my own for Toto when he FINALLY earned his NATCH/V-NATCH.  I made one bar for both awards.   I have been thinking I am going to make some of the short bars that others have made for my more recent NATCH's so I can hang them underneath.  I also had a friend who got me a bar made for Lily's Triple/Triple and I had someone make me one for her Triple Superior Versatility, but haven't done that for Toto yet.  That being said, most clubs do have nice NATCH ribbons so I am good with those after NATCH 1. 

I really like the bars because people can sign them, etc. and they are fun to display, but I understand the expense of them as well.  And I can make my own. 
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Foomin Z on November 30, 2018, 11:50:58 AM
One club I went to does picture frames with a huge matting area under the glass for people to sign. They also take your picture, print it on site and put it in the frame same day. The photo was around 4x6". The club paid for all the supplies to make it ahead of time.
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Liane B on November 30, 2018, 12:10:18 PM
When Bounce and I earned our NATCH there weren't any fancy poles or ribbons. I took the paper copy of the course we ran to earn the NATCH and had all our fellow competitors sign it. Once home I picked up a shadow box frame from Michaels and framed the course map along with our Q ribbon for that run.  I think it looks great and is a reminder of the actual run that completed the title.
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Brianne Bellwood on November 30, 2018, 05:58:02 PM
One club I went to does picture frames with a huge matting area under the glass for people to sign. They also take your picture, print it on site and put it in the frame same day. The photo was around 4x6". The club paid for all the supplies to make it ahead of time.

I have something like that. It's a great keepsake!
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: KellyDittmar on December 01, 2018, 09:09:14 PM
I make the bars for our club, and so far have done it from my own pocket. I ask the exhibitor if they want a bar at all - and if they earn more than one with a single run, I ask them if they prefer one bar or two and make it happen.

Kelly Dittmar
Minnesota Mixed Breed Club
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Marcy Matties on December 02, 2018, 08:06:12 AM
So interesting to see what different parts of the country do. You get used to what “ your” area does and assume it’s that way everywhere. The majority of clubs in the Texas and Oklahoma area do bars and ribbons for every NATCH no matter what the number. And if you get more than one at a trial you usually get a bar for each unless you request otherwise, which a lot of people do. I think for the most part clubs pick up the expense of the bars. Some member is in charge of making them but think they are usually reimbursed.
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on December 02, 2018, 04:33:19 PM
Our club does ribbons and bars, although I haven't given out a bar in a while.  I make them mysel and get reimbursed from the club.
Linda Anderson
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: DeafSheltieMom on December 03, 2018, 01:02:35 PM
My business is making title poles.  I make them for many of the Southern California clubs.   I also make the shorter (2') poles for the NADAC FunRaisers that Chris hosts.  I make both the long 4' poles and the short 2' poles for clubs.  What many of the clubs here do is give the long poles for the 1st NATCH, VersNATCH, and/or All-Around NATCH, and short ones for subsequent ones.  Some only give ribbons with the poles for the first one, and just a short pole for those after.  I think some clubs do ask what the exhibitor wants... 

I provide info with each pole so that the exhibitor can contact me for a personalized decal. 

I understand the finances behind what clubs provide... I'm the treasurer of my club.  However, as an exhibitor, I'm also proud of the accomplishment of my team, and know how much time, effort and finances went into earning our title.  I would never want to short shrift anyone's accomplishment and journey, so our club provides a pole and ribbon for each NATCH earned.  Each team has a unique journey, and we want to help celebrate that journey.  Creating a lasting memory for the teams involved is priceless. 

I do not make much from my business.  It is truly a labor of love.  But there are expenses that need to be paid, and at least a little satisfaction that I earned "something" from the business.  The clubs here appreciate that they are able to give very nice poles that reflect their club.  Each club pole has their logo and colors on it.  And they save themselves the work of making the poles themselves.  I hope it is a win-win situation for us all. 

-dayle
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Lorrie Stelz on December 03, 2018, 04:07:04 PM
Our region always provides ribbons and bars.  In the past, I have been to a trial or two where a ribbon or bar wasn't offered, so I purchased one myself in case we got it.   

At the trials I host, I make sure both are offered for all NATCHs, although I usually only put all the NATCHs on one bar.  Only on rare occasion does someone not want anything. Kaiden didn't get a bar for his NATCH 13 which I was bummed to find out one wasn't offered.  With him being 11, you never know when his last one will be.

The bars and ribbons are reimbursed to me through trial expenses.
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Edraith on December 03, 2018, 04:43:00 PM
If i ever make natch (ha!) i uh, want a bar. Maybe it is silly, probably the same folk who think ribbons are silly. But I like having pretty visuals of our accomplishments; they get hung on the wall. It just... "feels" nice. I also want the amazing ribbons. If I had weekends, I'd be doing the circle of friend trials because seriously, have you seen how pretty they are? :D

Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Rsquared on December 03, 2018, 05:53:16 PM
If you haven’t seen Dayle Shimamura’s bars you’re missing out.  They are truly beautiful and such nice mementos of titles earned!
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Amy McGovern on December 03, 2018, 06:22:27 PM
Are those the ones from champs this year?  Because if so, they were AWESOME.
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Deni on December 03, 2018, 07:33:07 PM
My business is making title poles.  I make them for many of the Southern California clubs.... 

-dayle

I'm no longer involved with coordinating trials, however my club used to purchase the poles from Dayle in both sizes and offered that along with large ribbons for every NATCH. (The poles that Dayle makes are AMAZING!!) We'd let the exhibitors have the pole size they desired, but defaulted to offering the large pole for 1st NATCHs and the smaller ones for subsequent. Some exhibitors took pictures and returned the poles and/or ribbons, but we loved helping them celebrate any and all levels of accomplishments!
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: DeafSheltieMom on December 04, 2018, 11:14:30 AM
Hi Amy,
Yes, I made the Champs poles the last 2 years.  Thanks for the compliment!!!  Glad you loved it!
-dayle
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Amy McGovern on December 04, 2018, 11:36:27 AM
I did!  We were thinking to make a custom order and I didn't keep the form (juggling too much stuff on the way home from champs).  Do you have a website or an email so I can do that?
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on December 04, 2018, 12:04:32 PM
Hi Amy,
Yes, I made the Champs poles the last 2 years.  Thanks for the compliment!!!  Glad you loved it!
-dayle
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Love, love, love my bars from Champs!!  Web site, please.
Linda
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: ResQ_Dogs on December 04, 2018, 01:04:46 PM
Amata & Edraith, thank you so much for your kind words about our ribbons! We take pride in awarding beautiful ribbons, and Sandy Langan creates personalized NATCH bars for our club as a labor of love, so our competitors have mementos of special days with their beloved teammates. We give out ribbons and bars for every NATCH, V-NATCH, and All-Around NATCH. We hope you get an opportunity to come play with us and take some home with you!

Diane Driscoll, Circle of Friends
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: DeafSheltieMom on December 04, 2018, 01:10:21 PM
Hi Amy and Linda,
I don't have a website  :-[  kinda pricey for my small little business.  However, if you email me at

DogAgilityDesigns@gmail.com

I can forward you a link to my dropbox where I have photos of agility poles I've made.  I do need to update them to show some of the newer custom poles I've done.  My custom orders range from simple vinyl designs to poles with photos and completely covered with colored vinyl (so it is no longer white). 

I'm going to Tucson for a fun trial this weekend, then going on Jury Duty after I get back.  I'll get back into the business stuff after jury duty is over (however long that is...), so I won't be able to get back to you until then.

Have a wonderful holiday season, everyone!!!  Be safe, have fun, enjoy life.  And hug your doggies!
-dayle
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Anne Etherton on December 04, 2018, 05:19:49 PM
As has already been said Dayle's poles are really nice.  I bet she's going to be even busier now!

Anne
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Colleen Flam on December 16, 2018, 07:26:25 AM
Here at Rocky Top Mountain K9 Agility in Lancing, TN we give out 4’ Natch and V-Natch Bars and Ribbons but if they earn both at the same time than we combine  both on the bar.  They get a ribbon for each title earned.  I made some 2’ bars for the All Around and that seems to be a big hit.  We also put dogs name on it and new for 2019 will be date earned.
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: AgilityJeff on December 23, 2018, 04:39:30 PM
At K9 Corps Agility we award bars to All-Around NATCH winners only.  Anyone who earns a NATCH here for the first time gets a NATCH Leash (not just first NATCH ever, first time they hit ANY NATCH at one of our trials) and all NATCH winners get a big honkin' ribbon ... often bigger than the dog.

We buy plain furniture grade PVC and purchase the vinyl decoration from Emma Vlcek in Virginia.  She can mail the design to me and I put it on the bar ... works great / saves on shipping.

I hope this helps!

Jeff
Title: Re: NATCh Pole Question
Post by: Rebecca Kriz on December 23, 2018, 05:13:52 PM
When I moved to TN (from WI) I was utterly dismayed when I saw that the tradition at all of the AKC trials here is to take the bar from the last jump on course. No fancy decorated bar? A dirty old bar? After I spent all that money?  lol  Thankfully I know people who can cut decals for me so I can decorate them properly.

I really appreciate that the NADAC clubs here offer beautifully decorated bars and fantastic ribbons. Kaiser just did back to back weekends to get NATCH 4 followed by V-NATCH 3 and went out of my way to attend those trials because of their bling.  :)  If you want nice NATCH and AA-NATCH gear, come to TN!

I know it's an expense to clubs, but competitors do appreciate it.

This post reminds me of something that don't think it happens around here anymore, since the particular equipment guy has moved away. At trials that rented this one provider's equipment, he had slightly prettier than normal bars made that were used on only the last jump. You were given this jump bar for your championship and he had little caps with tassels that you put on after earning it.

It's so interesting to read all the different 'customs' clubs have!