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Title: Leash Pole
Post by: Shirlene Clark on February 03, 2019, 12:41:53 PM
I made a leash pole for our NADAC trials in Australia well over a year ago now and it is well loved at our trials.

We assume the default to be leash on the pole unless the handler states otherwise.  It has been working brilliantly. It takes away a person at the end of the run which seems to make finishing teams happy.  It increases efficiency as the finishing handler can easily identify the collar portion of their leash.  We trial mainly our doors and it has coped well in wind.  It is easy to re-locate when course changes just gets moved with the finishing timing gates.  The stem is not glued to the base so it pulls apart into 2 pieces for easy storage and transport.

I was concerned about dogs grabbing the leash from the pole and thought a bucket would help.  In all honesty I never had to go there - dogs did got to the pole after their runs (they are smart and learn)  but 99.9% of them just sat at the pole and waited for their mum or dad to catch up.   Before anyone says can be construed as a target aiding the finishing dog...nope it can't because we always have it off to the side of the last obstacle.  If a dog were to target it then they would miss the last obstacles.

Anyway I thought I would share what we affectionately call the candlelabra her in Australia
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Marcy Matties on February 03, 2019, 01:03:23 PM
Like it!!
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Linda W. Anderson on February 03, 2019, 01:06:29 PM
This is a great idea!  What size PVC did you use?
Linda
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Shirlene Clark on February 03, 2019, 01:28:22 PM
1 inch pvc
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Dieselblonde on February 03, 2019, 01:42:12 PM
Great idea!!!!
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: David Tharle on February 03, 2019, 02:08:35 PM
Given the reaction here, I just have to ask: Are leash poles "not" commonly used in other regions of NADAC?
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Shirlene Clark on February 03, 2019, 02:38:53 PM
No idea David.  We did have leash default the leash runner but decided we preferred a pole and not a person so tried this out.  It was well received and we have had zero incidents at the end of a run since introducing it.  People can still opt for a leash buddy or have the designated leash walker hold the leash.  The only negative I have noted is that if we need to get a leash out to a team on course - say in fouling the ring it takes time for the leash walker to go get the leash off the pole.  Rare problem that doesnít negate the advantages for us. 
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Marj Vincent on February 03, 2019, 02:55:07 PM
 I do believe handing the leash to the handler is the default for 99% of the trials here in the US. We found things go much faster when the leash is brought to the handler with the collar or slip lead open to simply put over the dog's head.  A few handlers request to have it put on the ground at the end. 
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Shirlene Clark on February 03, 2019, 03:04:15 PM
Marj I think your reply raises a valid thing too -  if it ainít broke donít fix it.  Our leash pole came about because I had fielded concerns over leash walkers that are too slow or get too close or Handlers anxious about their dog interacting with the leash runner etc...   So I addressed the concerns.  I had something to fix but not everyone does
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: David Tharle on February 03, 2019, 03:18:16 PM
I think all the Alberta Clubs have them, but maybe that's just a hold over from the days of yore. (We just never took them out of the trailer when it was decided the runner should hand you an open leash).  I do think it speeds things up for those handlers which choose to have the leash left at the finish.  They know exactly where the leash is and it can be hung open as opposed to being a boy scout challenge hiding on the arena floor.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Shirlene Clark on February 03, 2019, 03:24:48 PM
Oh and I forgot one other positive we found was that it meant the leash runner is always at the start area to take instruction from the team entering eg I have my own leash buddy, please hand me my leash, pole is fine etc.   Teams previously slow to come in because they want to give their preference are quicker now
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Chris Nelson on February 03, 2019, 04:22:43 PM
This might also be a nice solution for some other perceived issues that could arise from the June tugging update :)

We might build a few and send them to clubs as a early Christmas gift!


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Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: BeckyAH on February 03, 2019, 05:12:27 PM
I would LOVE this.  Most of my dogs don't  care at all, but it would make getting out with that One Dog Of Mine so much faster.  (As it stands I sit her, retrieve the leash, leash her and go, if the leash runner is still hanging around the exit for some reason)
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: lyndav on February 03, 2019, 06:45:38 PM
I would just make the top part of the pole straight instead of U - Shaped or a much smaller U. The leash would slide off much easier & faster, especially for those individuals who have issues with hand co-ordination.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: SandeeStewie on February 03, 2019, 09:41:40 PM
For the dogs safety I hope this does not become commonplace.
I know quite a few dogs for which something like that would present a danger. Fortunately not my dogs.

Matt.
Sandee/Stewie.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Shirlene Clark on February 03, 2019, 10:03:07 PM
We have been using it for well over a year now with not one safety issue, concern or incident whatsoever - it is tall enough and  light weight with  no sharp edges, if knocked it easily moves. 
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Shirlene Clark on February 03, 2019, 10:27:09 PM
Oh and when I say using it over year we are talking around 20 trials per year
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on February 03, 2019, 11:13:50 PM
Oh and I forgot one other positive we found was that it meant the leash runner is always at the start area to take instruction from the team entering eg I have my own leash buddy, please hand me my leash, pole is fine etc.   Teams previously slow to come in because they want to give their preference are quicker now

I am surprised that this considered new.  I remember when i started agility, there was a leash pole as you have done at the end of the course.  It went away after the leash had to handed to the person. I preferred that and it made it easier to be at the start line for the next leash. But I understood the complaint was that people were not getting off the course fast enough with the leash pole. We've had a lot less volunteers for leash running after this was put in effect.  I think it should be the default and the runner can ask for something different if they want.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: KarissaKS on February 04, 2019, 05:03:42 AM
There was a contraption like this at the facility where we frequently trialed in Wisconsin many years ago. Really, they were fairly common before the rule of handing over leashes became default. Some AKC clubs still use them. Personally, I dislike them quite a bit because my dogs are always pulling them over. Then I have to untangle my leash/harness from the pole, stand the pole back up, and leash up my dog. I far prefer a chair or a bucket.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Jeff Lyons on February 04, 2019, 09:52:38 AM
As I recall the whole reason we got away from hanging the leash on the pole/chair etc. was that it took extra time for the handler to get to the location, then the handler had to "locate" the leash, open the leash, and then put it over the dog.  It required the handler to disengage from the dog in order to perform these tasks, in and in the meantime there is another dog at the start line ready to go, and a disengaged dog waiting to be leashed up. 

It was determined that is was safer and more efficient to have the handler handed the leash opened up so that they could just slip it over the dog and be done.

Those who feel they don't want the leash runner to come near them have the option of the leash on the ground (or pole or chair if we so choose). 

If the leash runner was not getting to the finish area in time to do that function, I think it would not be the right job for them.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Lois Mierau on February 04, 2019, 10:11:40 AM
We have had a leash hanger for 17 years, we stopped using it when we were told the default behaviour was to hand the leash to the handler unless asked to do otherwise.  May we start using the hanger again or is the default still for the runner to hand the leash to the handler?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Chris Nelson on February 04, 2019, 11:37:02 AM
I think the only thing to remind handlers of when using a leash tree, or whatever anyone wants to call them.

Is that they still need to get to the leash in a timely manner.  Otherwise it is much faster to have the leash runner hand the leash to them.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on February 04, 2019, 10:15:15 PM

If the leash runner was not getting to the finish area in time to do that function, I think it would not be the right job for them.

The problem I have observed is not that they don't get to the finish line on time, but that they don't get back in time to the start line to pick up the leash. And if they don't on a quick running course, they get farther and farther behind. Admittedly then maybe you shouldn't do the job, but that narrows the pool of volunteers.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: KellyDittmar on February 05, 2019, 05:37:03 AM
For the dogs safety I hope this does not become commonplace.
I know quite a few dogs for which something like that would present a danger. Fortunately not my dogs.

Matt.
Sandee/Stewie.

Can you say more about this? What makes this a safety issue?

I have seen these things fall over or get somehow tangled with the leash causing laughter, embarrassment, and "next dog delays", but other than it falling on a dog have never seen anything unsafe about the pole. What has your experience been?

Thanks!
Kelly
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Sharon Nelson on February 05, 2019, 07:38:44 AM
We have had a leash hanger for 17 years, we stopped using it when we were told the default behaviour was to hand the leash to the handler unless asked to do otherwise.  May we start using the hanger again or is the default still for the runner to hand the leash to the handler?

Thanks!

I love the leash poles!  I would much rather use those than have strangers walking into a dog's space after a high drive run.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Foomin Z on February 05, 2019, 11:49:14 AM
We have had a leash hanger for 17 years, we stopped using it when we were told the default behaviour was to hand the leash to the handler unless asked to do otherwise.  May we start using the hanger again or is the default still for the runner to hand the leash to the handler?

Thanks!

I love the leash poles!  I would much rather use those than have strangers walking into a dog's space after a high drive run.
Same here. I get nearly run over sometimes trying to hand off the leash to a person. NADAC courses generally have straight lines right at the end. Dogs are extra fast and extra hyped. Also, handlers are usually far behind the dogs at that point, if they are not working the distance from closer to the front of the ring.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Sheila & the Shelties on February 05, 2019, 10:44:20 PM
For the dogs safety I hope this does not become commonplace.
I know quite a few dogs for which something like that would present a danger. Fortunately not my dogs.

Matt.
Sandee/Stewie.

Can you say more about this? What makes this a safety issue?

I have seen these things fall over or get somehow tangled with the leash causing laughter, embarrassment, and "next dog delays", but other than it falling on a dog have never seen anything unsafe about the pole. What has your experience been?

Thanks!
Kelly

I'd like to know too.  I've never seen a problem with them.  I *have* sene problems with a leash hand-off: people turning their back on an excited dog and getting a nip on the butt or leg.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Karen Birdsong on February 17, 2019, 09:31:53 PM
  Before the current policy of having the leash runner hand the open leash to the exhibitor, many clubs here in So. CA had leash holders of various designs. The Aus's is probably a much improved version.   Personally I think being handed my open leash does allow me to get out of the ring faster than in the "old days".   

Should we start using a leash holder, chair, bucket or the like I would like to request that these not be placed immediately beside the ring ropes and right at the exit.   I judged or years before the human leash holder rule came about.  I would continually move the chair, or what ever, that the leash was to be put on into the ring about 5-10 feet or so and often just off to the side of the exit. Two main reasons:
   1.  I personally feel this was a safer placement of the leash.  I saw a lot of dogs that ran or wondered out of the ring while the handler was walking towards their leash and then while fumbling with the leash trying to get it open and on the dog.  The holder being away from the ring rope (not all rings are enclosed) and exits reduced the dog from accidentally walking out of the ring.
  2.  The shorter the distance the handler has to walk to get to their leash the faster they get it on the dog.  Many of us slow down as our dogs drive across the finish line.  We then walk to our dog.  The closer the leash is to that finish line, the faster the handler gets there, leashed up and out of the ring.

Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Chris Nelson on February 18, 2019, 04:24:29 AM
Absolutely!


I canít speak for Australia,  but here in Florida weíve been using a leash holder for all the trials lately and itís been placed about 6 feet off the finish obstacle,  off to the side the handler would be on.

That way itís close to the finishing handler.

I definitely wouldnít want to see it placed at the exit gate, as that would slow things down pretty badly


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Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: JMDATX on February 18, 2019, 05:56:16 AM
Hi Chris!  I'm a bit of a literalist and rule follower and am having trouble reconciling your messaging on the leash topic.  :-)  One one hand, you are saying leash holders are great and you like using them.  Then you say that having the leash runner hand the handler the leash is the default, unless the handler instructs the leash runner to leave it on the ground.

Is the 'official' position that leash runners should hand the handler the leash at the end of the run, unless the handler instructs the leash runner to drop it off at the end.  The club could provide some sort of 'holder' that the leash is to be placed or on the ground, if not.

Thanks!

Jan
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Chris Nelson on February 18, 2019, 06:01:28 AM
Hi Chris!  I'm a bit of a literalist and rule follower and am having trouble reconciling your messaging on the leash topic.  :-)  One one hand, you are saying leash holders are great and you like using them.  Then you say that having the leash runner hand the handler the leash is the default, unless the handler instructs the leash runner to leave it on the ground.

Is the 'official' position that leash runners should hand the handler the leash at the end of the run, unless the handler instructs the leash runner to drop it off at the end.  The club could provide some sort of 'holder' that the leash is to be placed or on the ground, if not.

Thanks!

Jan


There is no rule in regards to this, so that's why it's all just preferences and club choices :)

When I say 'default' I just mean that's what the majority of clubs have leash runners do, as it makes the trial go the quickest.   But it's not against any rules to do it differently.

So my personal preference changes on the area I'm in and what works best for the people in that area :)
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: knittingdog on February 18, 2019, 06:38:58 AM


We used to trial at places that used the leash poles.  They quit using it because it was always getting pulled over and it was hard to untangle your leash from it.  Some leash runners would literally double the leash over it to make it stay on the pole.  All of them have gone to buckets and I think the buckets work much better.

Just an aside - I actually got a harness from a leash runner once who had buckled up all the buckles on her way to taking the leash to me.  I had to go figure out what to unbuckle to put it on the dog.  That certainly took time - and it was a bit annoying!  Lol!

Robin
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Chris Nelson on February 18, 2019, 06:44:34 AM


We used to trial at places that used the leash poles.  They quit using it because it was always getting pulled over and it was hard to untangle your leash from it.  Some leash runners would literally double the leash over it to make it stay on the pole.  All of them have gone to buckets and I think the buckets work much better.

Just an aside - I actually got a harness from a leash runner once who had buckled up all the buckles on her way to taking the leash to me.  I had to go figure out what to unbuckle to put it on the dog.  That certainly took time - and it was a bit annoying!  Lol!

Robin

I think that would fall under the better training for the leash runners category, haha
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: KarissaKS on February 18, 2019, 07:44:17 AM
Leash running falls under the category of "things you really don't think you need to train people to do," but there are always exceptions. At a recent AKC trial I arrived at the leash chair to find the entire length of my 6' leather leash was wound tightly around Kaiser's harness.  :o  I cannot fathom what would inspire a person to do that.

I believe many clubs are under the impression that it is the official NADAC stance that the default leashing ritual is to hand the leash to exhibitors. It has been years since I've seen anything else. As someone who requests that the leash be dropped at the end, I dislike that this adds time. I have to wait for the leash runner to give the leash to the last person and then try to get their attention as they start to wander back towards me. Then there is also the issue of those who don't seem to know what it means to "drop the leash" and hold it until my dog has finished the lash obstacle and then drop it in front of them. I feel that having a leash holder/bucket/chair is a lot more self-explanatory.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: MoabDiane on February 18, 2019, 01:04:04 PM
My two cents worth: I donít care whether my leash is handed to me, or put in a bucket. I prefer that Over any kind of chandelier/pole! I use a harness on one dog, with the slip lead attached to it. I generally try to contact the leash runner before I go in, saying that Iíd like the leash part handed to me; forget thereís a harness attached.   It would almost be easier to pick it up. Guess thatís my choice!

My other dog jumps on my arms at the end of the road. I have pretty long arms, and can usually grab the leash from someone before they try to put it on my dog. That sure a big no-no!! 
Different strokes...
Diane

Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso on February 18, 2019, 01:45:28 PM
Leash running falls under the category of "things you really don't think you need to train people to do," but there are always exceptions. At a recent AKC trial I arrived at the leash chair to find the entire length of my 6' leather leash was wound tightly around Kaiser's harness.  :o  I cannot fathom what would inspire a person to do that.

I believe many clubs are under the impression that it is the official NADAC stance that the default leashing ritual is to hand the leash to exhibitors. It has been years since I've seen anything else. As someone who requests that the leash be dropped at the end, I dislike that this adds time. I have to wait for the leash runner to give the leash to the last person and then try to get their attention as they start to wander back towards me. Then there is also the issue of those who don't seem to know what it means to "drop the leash" and hold it until my dog has finished the lash obstacle and then drop it in front of them. I feel that having a leash holder/bucket/chair is a lot more self-explanatory.

For me, it is actually faster to have the leash runner bring me the leash with Calypso and Toto.  Calypso is always very far ahead of me at the finish.  I call her back to me and put her in a sit as the leash runner is coming out to me to give me the leash, I then call her to me and it goes on immediately.  If I had to call her back to me and then go get my own leash, it would take more time.  With Toto, he also comes back to me and I pick him up and then can slip the leash over his head as I am walking towards the exit. 
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Shirlene Clark on February 18, 2019, 01:49:39 PM
We love our leash pole in Australia as it has meant the leash walker is always at the ring entrance to take instruction from the team coming in.

So we default to the leash pole but handlers can request;

- a leash buddy (at which our leash walker simple stays at the ring entrance or,

- they can ask for the leash to be placed on the ground near the leash pole (we say near the leash pole as it makwes it easier for the handler to find it

- they can ask for it to be handed to them (this one means the leash walker usually misses instruction from the next team but it isn't a perfect world and we just do the best we can)


I also now include at least in my show instructions pre-trial links to short videos explaining how to do NADAC jobs like leash walking - so we put a bit of effort into education to avoid potential "issues"
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso on February 18, 2019, 01:51:25 PM
We love our leash pole in Australia as it has meant the leash walker is always at the ring entrance to take instruction from the team coming in.

So we default to the leash pole but handlers can request;

- a leash buddy (at which our leash walker simple stays at the ring entrance or,

- they can ask for the leash to be placed on the ground near the leash pole (we say near the leash pole as it makwes it easier for the handler to find it

- they can ask for it to be handed to them (this one means the leash walker usually misses instruction from the next team but it isn't a perfect world and we just do the best we can)


I also now include at least in my show instructions pre-trial links to short videos explaining how to do NADAC jobs like leash walking - so we put a bit of effort into education to avoid potential "issues"

so then I have a question for you because I am curious.  If a dog needs its leash in the middle of the ring (say it pees on course) how does the leash get to the dog quickly since the leash runner is not at the end of the run.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Shirlene Clark on February 18, 2019, 01:59:59 PM
If the dog pees on course or need to be leashed mid run our leash walker just goes and gets the leash and takes it to them.  Usually the handler is gathering their dog and ring clean up is happening if required and we don't really see it as a big deal.  Sometimes the leash walker hasn't gotten to the pole in the first instance and so simply stops walking to the pole and starts walking to the handler. Many times a handler who has to leash a dog mid run often starts walking to the leash pole/walker themselves.


It just really isn't seen as any big deal as it doesn't happen as a "frequent occurrence".  These sort of things are infrequent exceptions to what happens during a run. I prefer we manage the efficiency of the majority as that is where time is saved and in doing so we wear the inefficiency of the minority. :)
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Kyle on February 19, 2019, 08:39:46 AM
Right off the bat, I will say that I am not a fan of the upright leash holders, buckets or chairs for the leash to be placed on. I am a fan of having the leash handed to the handler with the loop open for the dog's head. Here's my reasons why I feel this way...

Matt with Sandee/Stewie alluded to safety issues with the "leash pole". He didn't get into what those issues might be, but I know about one big one. Dogs who see their prized toy/reward (leash) just hanging there at the end of their exciting run *do* "target" it, grab the leash and start running around with it - dragging the leash pole after them in a dangerous fashion. *Yes*, this has happened, on numerous occasions, and it's awful. Should the dog be "allowed" to do this? Nope. But some folks have a hard time training their dog not to do this. Should the handler request the leash be placed on the ground, in a bucket, on a chair or handed to them? Yes. But sometimes we're just human....

Same issue comes up with putting the leash on a chair. How many times have we seen chairs go toppling over when a dog (medium/large) reaches for the leash? I've even seen dogs jump up onto the chair, have it spill over backward and the dog is smacked by the chair. Same as above, is this a training issue? Yes. Some people have problems training it. Should the handler request the leash on the ground, in a bucket or handed to them? Yes, but once again, we're just human.

I understand when some people have said they are concerned about the dog disconnecting at the end of the run. I think it's the handler that will be disconnecting after the run when having to figure out how to; change focus from running the dog to finding where there leash has been put, remove their leash safely/quickly from the leash pole/bucket/chair, untangle their leash, find the loop and then get the dog's head into it. I know I disconnect when I have to do this. My dog is hopping around waiting waiting waiting for me to look at them and praise. (Our leash is not a toy/reward of any kind.) When we're handed our leash correctly, it is so fast, my attention is drawn away for only a second, and we're leashed and happily trotting away being praised. I don't feel like we disconnect at all.

And, of course, there's the time issue. Maybe at some trials time isn't an issue but sometimes time is a big issue to the exhibitors. Let's say it takes 15 seconds from the dog getting the last obstacle to having the leash placed around the neck. This is an absolute possibility, try it.  :) In fact, as someone who tries Bonuses, it could easily take that for us to run across the ring from wherever our box was, to pick up and untangle our leash and get it over the dog's head.  Let's take 250 runs x 15 seconds....and if my math is correct (not always!) that's an extra hour to the day.   

It's not logical to expect a dog not to "target" their leash if that's the end of the run reward. After a time or two of seeing where their beloved toy/reward is at the end of a run - on a leash pole, in a bucket, on a chair - any smart dog *will* at least try to get to it - it being a *target* in the true sense of the word....for the dog.  ;)  I would guess it'll be kind of hard for judges to have to figure out targeting from non-targeting behaviors....but, that remains to be seen.  :D

The above is all just my opinion from having read the comments from others and my own personal past experience. I just don't want to see dogs dragging the leash pole around or crashing into chairs again, but, I'm afraid we will......  :'(

-Kyle

Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: dogrsqr on February 19, 2019, 09:42:22 AM
Iím very much confused.  I distinctly remember multiple judges at multiple trials years ago telling us that the default was to be that the leash runner handed the leash to the handler.  This was done sometime after the ďgood luckĒ start in order to save time and get the finishing dog leashed up quickly so the starting dog could be unleashed.  Our club used to use the leash bucket method and we did not change that based on our own decision.  I personally like being handed my leash but either way I think it makes sense to have a NADAC  default.  That way when people travel to a new club they know if they need to tell the leash runner to do something differently.  Much like using the standardized premium I think this helps exhibitors.

Gina
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Chris Nelson on February 19, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
A default is very different from a rule.

The default is to hand the leash to the handler.  But itís not a rule and clubs and judges can instruct leash runners to do it differently if it works better for their area.


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Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: Lorrie Stelz on February 20, 2019, 05:43:26 PM
personally I prefer a chair for the leashes than a leash pole.  When my slip leads are hung on leash poles, the slip part falls closed to almost nothing and takes a bit for me to reopen it.  If there is a chair with my leash on it, the leash runner can lay it on the chair with the slip part open to make it quicker for me to get on.  Otherwise I prefer it to be handed to me open.  I have had some leash runners just pick up my leashes and hand it to me in a big ball and the neck part has closed completely and takes me a bit to get it reopened again.  Same as when hung on the leash pole.  But, MOST leash runners are good and hand it to me open.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: BeckyAH on February 20, 2019, 07:12:06 PM
As a general tip for keeping slip leashes open, regardless of how they are carried or placed - I put (the over the collar style - just a triangle with a pocket sewn in to thread a collar (or slip leash!) through) bandanas  on my slip leads.  They don't stop the leash from functioning as a slip ON the dog, they come off with the leash so the dog is running naked, and they absolutely prevent them easily tightening to closed when thrown/dropped/hung up. 

You just put the bandana on initially on with the leash 'unslipped'/straightened out, then loop back through to get your noose back, and you're good to go.  They're staying opened unless you PULL that sucker straight to remove the bandana.  As a bonus they are MUCH more visible on the ground, in grass or dirt, both to the leash runner and to me at the end of a run (I like mine on the ground for one of mine).
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: BeckyAH on February 20, 2019, 08:06:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rq6PUEQt-k

Video - you can pretty clearly see it takes no extra time to take off,  and that it stays open to be put back on.  Also a HUGE help when removing a leash from a hairy dog, honestly, because the leash doesn't disappear into the fur.  Pus it's eliminated my occasional attempts at putting the leash handle over my dog's head.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: James Bell on February 21, 2019, 08:51:37 PM
You just put the bandana on initially on with the leash 'unslipped'/straightened out, then loop back through to get your noose back, and you're good to go.  They're staying opened unless you PULL that sucker straight to remove the bandana.  As a bonus they are MUCH more visible on the ground, in grass or dirt, both to the leash runner and to me at the end of a run (I like mine on the ground for one of mine).
This rig sounds awesome. Can you post a close-up picture, so that I can confirm what I'm picturing is reality?

What I am picturing from your description is:
a) fold square bandana into triangle (or maybe 2 triangle depending on bandana size), and sew some of the 2 short edges of the triangle.
b) undo/unthread your slip lead, feed it through the created bandana tunnel, and redo/rethread slip lead.

Or alternatively for slip leads that can't come loose because of say a leather joint for the handle or slip stop, fold square bandana into a triangle wrapping it over a fully opened loop of a slip lead, and sew the 2 short edges of the triangle mostly shut, thereby trapping the leash in the bandana and preventing the slip leash from completely closing.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: BeckyAH on February 22, 2019, 06:41:16 AM
What you're describing would work and work well - particularly for the slip leashes that don't come undone!  Your description of carefully feeding through is right, too.    I just use premade 'over the collar' bandanas ( like this: https://www.etsy.com/listing/640231950/nc-state-over-the-collar-dog-bandana )    like this - only less fancy so they cost about 3.00 -5.00 depending on size (Need medium/large to get the ring of most slip leads through, narrow ones do fine in any size).  They'd be super easy to make, though, for sure, especially with a machine.

(https://images.plurk.com/Z54mjpfprxTUvm7kNRuCB.jpg)

(https://images.plurk.com/qtI5G1wq2HS98XldqaqLy.jpg)

(https://images.plurk.com/3LzDdbEnjdvugZZASVdgHC.jpg)

(https://images.plurk.com/hpyZCzqQpzIal6v56PZmS.jpg)

Excuse the dog nose.  He really wanted to know what was going on with his leash.
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: James Bell on February 26, 2019, 08:42:30 PM
Good stuff! Thanks!
Title: Re: Leash Pole
Post by: DeniseK on May 02, 2019, 12:16:38 PM
Iím very much confused.  I distinctly remember multiple judges at multiple trials years ago telling us that the default was to be that the leash runner handed the leash to the handler.  This was done sometime after the ďgood luckĒ start in order to save time and get the finishing dog leashed up quickly so the starting dog could be unleashed.  Our club used to use the leash bucket method and we did not change that based on our own decision.  I personally like being handed my leash but either way I think it makes sense to have a NADAC  default.  That way when people travel to a new club they know if they need to tell the leash runner to do something differently.  Much like using the standardized premium I think this helps exhibitors.

Gina

Gina, I agree. I guess I thought it was more than a default or "suggestion" to hand the leash to the handler. (unless otherwise instructed)  I'm okay with a bucket or getting it handed to me, and I don't mind handing to someone if I'm leash running. I'd be curious to hear what others prefer. If a leash pole/rack were to be made, maybe it could be shorter and a wider base to prevent knocking it over? I do notice at times when I hand the leash with it open, some will take it/grab it and then re-open it themselves. (shrug)