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General Discussion / Re: price increase?
« Last post by Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso on Today at 11:49:06 AM »
Audri in my opinion that hour or two makes a huge difference.  Its the difference between finishing at 1:00 or 3:00.  3:00 puts us in the heat of the day for 2 more hours when we are already typically dead from the heat around noon, especially judges and leash runners.

Gina

I get it, but the majority of our trials are outdoors all summer long and we don't start our local trials until 8 or 9, even with the heat and we manage.  I would do the Purina, but I can't do 2 nights in a hotel and I don't have an RV.  It isn't feasible to leave by 4am to get there in time to run on Saturday and I am not going to drive to St. Louis on Saturday, spend the money on a hotel to only compete on Sunday.  It doesn't make sense, so they lose my entry of 4 dogs and 40 runs.
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One of the things I'd always loved about NADAC & Champs (either from being there or living thru friends) is how inclusive it was. How you could make it to finals and have this shot to be on the center stage for those 45 seconds while some stranger in the stands held their breathe and willed you forward from the edge of their seat and then screamed for you when you finished. Even though you couldn't win. Even though you wouldn't be taking home a big ribbon. It was like qualifying for the Olympics and being to take your mark with Lindsey Vonn. You know you've got no shot to beat her. Her skills and her speed are just better. She trains harder. She takes the risks that you won't. Whatever. It doesn't matter. It's just an honor to have made that final cutoff and be able to take the course with her. I wish everyone in the world could have that experience at least once.

So it's disappointing to me that there's no option to remain the same - but as pointed out already, change is a part of life. And maybe structuring our trials so we have the important regional events like they do at USDAA and the challengers to finals rounds like they do at NAC will encourage people to come play with us. I guess time will tell! :)

I completely agree with this!  The same people tend to win finals year in and year out.  It is just  how it is.  They have more time to train, better skills, better dogs, whatever.....  I don't begrudge them at all, it is the way it is, but I also think that people underestimate the thrill that us mere mortals have of just making finals.  I was soooo close in 2017 but had an off course in run 7....  I would have been over the moon to have made it and just been out there for the final rounds

I also think that cutting out run 7 would be a big disappointment to those of us who don't make finals.  I know that it would cut the Sunday time down, but I also think that if you cut it out, most people who aren't in finals would cut and run on Saturday after their final run.  Why pay for an extra night in a hotel, extra meals and a long day on Sunday when you have to return to work on Monday, if you can get out on Saturday and sleep in your own bed?   Besides, I pay a lot to be there and cutting a run makes me think about it a bit more.  This year, I am paying $300.00 for each of my dogs for 7 runs.  That is almost $43.00 per run.  You cut a run out, and now it is up to $50.00 per run.....  I know it isn't always about the money, but for those of us who don't make finals, and lets be realistic, that is 75% of the competitors, you are cutting out an extra run in a very special event.
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General Discussion / June 2019 rule changes - toys in the ring
« Last post by kirbysmom2000 on Today at 10:05:46 AM »
Are guidelines regarding toys in the ring (due to go into effect in June) anywhere in a written format (i.e. what toys are acceptable, what you can do with the toy, etc.)? I am looking at entering a June trial with my baby dog and would like to know the rules before figuring out how much and what to enter.

Thanks!

Amy

(P.S. I am very much looking forward to this option and am thankfully that NADAC is allowing this to happen.)
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General Discussion / Re: Scoring Finals at Champs
« Last post by Linda W. Anderson on Today at 09:22:18 AM »
One of the things I'd always loved about NADAC & Champs (either from being there or living thru friends) is how inclusive it was. How you could make it to finals and have this shot to be on the center stage for those 45 seconds while some stranger in the stands held their breathe and willed you forward from the edge of their seat and then screamed for you when you finished. Even though you couldn't win. Even though you wouldn't be taking home a big ribbon. It was like qualifying for the Olympics and being to take your mark with Lindsey Vonn. You know you've got no shot to beat her. Her skills and her speed are just better. She trains harder. She takes the risks that you won't. Whatever. It doesn't matter. It's just an honor to have made that final cutoff and be able to take the course with her. I wish everyone in the world could have that experience at least once.

So it's disappointing to me that there's no option to remain the same - but as pointed out already, change is a part of life. And maybe structuring our trials so we have the important regional events like they do at USDAA and the challengers to finals rounds like they do at NAC will encourage people to come play with us. I guess time will tell! :)
Love this post!  I still remember the first time one of my dogs and I were called to be in the finals.  It was a very big thrill.  I knew my competition was much stronger than we were, but just being able to run that course with my partner made all the training and expense worth it.

Also, it seems by reading these posts that there are many who would like an option to vote for finals to remain the same.  As it is, those of us who like things the way they are don't seem to be getting a vote.  IMHO
Linda
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General Discussion / Re: price increase?
« Last post by KellyDittmar on Today at 09:10:18 AM »
Because I just went to search for it, I'm adding a link to the thread that had the post with what you are allowed to spend as a club and still qualify for waiving of fees.

https://www.nadac.com/forum/index.php?topic=8218.msg53052
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General Discussion / Re: Scoring Finals at Champs
« Last post by Marcy Matties on Today at 08:57:07 AM »
One of the things I'd always loved about NADAC & Champs (either from being there or living thru friends) is how inclusive it was. How you could make it to finals and have this shot to be on the center stage for those 45 seconds while some stranger in the stands held their breathe and willed you forward from the edge of their seat and then screamed for you when you finished. Even though you couldn't win. Even though you wouldn't be taking home a big ribbon. It was like qualifying for the Olympics and being to take your mark with Lindsey Vonn. You know you've got no shot to beat her. Her skills and her speed are just better. She trains harder. She takes the risks that you won't. Whatever. It doesn't matter. It's just an honor to have made that final cutoff and be able to take the course with her. I wish everyone in the world could have that experience at least once.

So it's disappointing to me that there's no option to remain the same - but as pointed out already, change is a part of life. And maybe structuring our trials so we have the important regional events like they do at USDAA and the challengers to finals rounds like they do at NAC will encourage people to come play with us. I guess time will tell! :)

Completely agree.  Love the Olympics analogy.  I'm pretty sure those track stars or bobsledders from obscure countries don't think "Well, I don't have a shot at winning - so why even go compete?"  Pretty sure they think the experience is worth every ounce of effort and countless hours that they have put in just to get there.
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General Discussion / Re: price increase?
« Last post by Marcy Matties on Today at 08:52:05 AM »
Chris, I think one of the things that really hurts is that that price increase was done all at once, rather than some kind of phasing in.  Have you thought about maybe a $.50 increase this year, and then another $.50 increase in a year or two (so NADAC and judges would get half the increase this year, and then the rest in a year or two).  That might help some clubs figure out how to make all this work.  I doubt very many people will quit doing NADAC altogether because of this price increase, but I know from conversations I have heard that people will but back the number of trials, or the number of classes they enter at a trial, so smaller clubs are really concerned with making the minimum.  They are really concerned about the increase of the minimum runs to 300 a day as well.  So I would suggest that it would be a lot better to put off increasing the minimum for a while or phasing that in as well.  NADAC isn't going to be able to increase its income if clubs quit putting on trials and people cut back on their entries.  Just my thoughts.

Billie - I don't think the minimum NUBMER of runs has increased to 300.  The minimum run count is still 200.  It's just that the PAYMENT will go from $200 to $300 because of the price increase.
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General Discussion / Re: price increase?
« Last post by Chris Nelson on Today at 07:29:21 AM »
Clubs should have no concerns whatsoever about making ends meet.

Weve said many times that we waive most of the fees when a club is going to lose money.

The problem I have with phasing it in is that I would like to never have to go through this again.

If we increase it by .50 this year, and then again in 2021.   Were just going to be having these conversations all over again. 

I would much rather get through it, and not have to do it again for another 25 years.   And hopefully by that time itll be Carson making the decision and not me! :)


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General Discussion / Re: price increase?
« Last post by Billie Rosen on Today at 06:45:20 AM »
Chris, I think one of the things that really hurts is that that price increase was done all at once, rather than some kind of phasing in.  Have you thought about maybe a $.50 increase this year, and then another $.50 increase in a year or two (so NADAC and judges would get half the increase this year, and then the rest in a year or two).  That might help some clubs figure out how to make all this work.  I doubt very many people will quit doing NADAC altogether because of this price increase, but I know from conversations I have heard that people will but back the number of trials, or the number of classes they enter at a trial, so smaller clubs are really concerned with making the minimum.  They are really concerned about the increase of the minimum runs to 300 a day as well.  So I would suggest that it would be a lot better to put off increasing the minimum for a while or phasing that in as well.  NADAC isn't going to be able to increase its income if clubs quit putting on trials and people cut back on their entries.  Just my thoughts.
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General Discussion / Re: Scoring Finals at Champs
« Last post by KellyDittmar on Today at 06:12:07 AM »
One of the things I'd always loved about NADAC & Champs (either from being there or living thru friends) is how inclusive it was. How you could make it to finals and have this shot to be on the center stage for those 45 seconds while some stranger in the stands held their breathe and willed you forward from the edge of their seat and then screamed for you when you finished. Even though you couldn't win. Even though you wouldn't be taking home a big ribbon. It was like qualifying for the Olympics and being to take your mark with Lindsey Vonn. You know you've got no shot to beat her. Her skills and her speed are just better. She trains harder. She takes the risks that you won't. Whatever. It doesn't matter. It's just an honor to have made that final cutoff and be able to take the course with her. I wish everyone in the world could have that experience at least once.

So it's disappointing to me that there's no option to remain the same - but as pointed out already, change is a part of life. And maybe structuring our trials so we have the important regional events like they do at USDAA and the challengers to finals rounds like they do at NAC will encourage people to come play with us. I guess time will tell! :) 

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