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General Discussion / Re: Monthly leaderboards
« Last post by Amanda Nelson on Today at 06:13:48 AM »
They are on the NADAC website under the "Titles and Awards" tab. Here is a direct link:


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General Discussion / Monthly leaderboards
« Last post by Sheila & the Shelties on Today at 06:05:28 AM »
Every once in awhile, I look at the monthly leaderboards. I can never find them. Or when I do find them, the next time I forget. I thought I'd bookmarked it, but I guess not.  Searching does not bring it up either. Could they be made up in post if they are not already?
General Discussion / Re: VT Barrelers
« Last post by Joyce Roessner on December 17, 2017, 06:01:57 PM »
I have seen 4 but 3 is pretty common. 
General Discussion / Re: New rule changes
« Last post by dthompson on December 17, 2017, 05:21:22 PM »
I compete in several venues. I personally don't think the rule change is a big deal.
We pay for that time in the ring.  If we want to train start line stays, so be it.
As for the comment " if a dog does not have a start line stay, they should not be trialing" I think it was

Well, that is absolutely  Ridiculous!   If I want to RUN off the start line with my dog, that is my business. I personally like running with my dog as a TEAM.

If you want to walk to,the middle of the course and run your dog, that is your business.

It is not right to criticize people for not doing the same way all the time.
General Discussion / Re: VT Barrelers
« Last post by Roger Coor on December 17, 2017, 02:55:27 PM »
Of course a different course may have a different number of barrels, but I looked at some Barrelers courses in the past year, all of those had 3 at the Elite level.  I would not be surprised to see an Elite course with 4.  The collapsing barrels that I know of are sold in groups of three, because the purchase is geared toward horse barrel racing and that has 3 barrels.  If I needed Barrels to do a VT, I would start with 3 and likely be able to run most of the sets that will be posted.
General Discussion / Re: Possible VT solutions
« Last post by sydneys99 on December 16, 2017, 10:57:50 AM »
I totally agree that if you have trials in your area you should not be eligible to do VT runs. We have to support clubs willing to hold trials. Chris you are doing a great job, hang in there we need you.

We started in agility back in 2003 and have seen many changes in the sport. The VT option has been such a great opportunity for competitors that didn't have trials in their area to be able to run trial courses. In the Georgia area we have a total of 6 trials per year in the 200 mile radius of me. Just a couple of years ago we only had a total of 2 per year that we could get to and they were in Alabama.

When you have trials avaliable in your area it is easy to say.. Make the VT price more or Don't make the VT runs count toward anything. This excludes a lot of potential teams. With access to trials teams have the opportunity  to easily qualify for Champs, Top Ten, etc but for a lot of other competitors they would never have the chance to experience a championship if not for VTs. Now it shouldn't be all of your qualifying runs of course. You need to have full trial experience to be successful at the Championships.

I feel a Q is a Q? NADAC was always fun and strived to be inclusive for all unlike other venues that excluded due to height, speed, breed, age, etc.
It would be a real shame to start down that slippery path of exclusion.

Keep the rules as clear and simple as possible.
1.)$10 per run just like at a regular trial
2.)No VTs 5 days before any trial within a 150 mile radius of your residence
4.) If you are proven to be cheating by not following VT or NADAC rules you will no longer be allowed to submit VT runs.
5.) A VT qualifying run will count equally toward all NADAC awards and events with the exception of Championships where at least 50% of points must be earned at a regular trial.

Do not cheat. Treat each VT run like you are at a trial and the judge is watching.

Please do not let a few bad apples ruin this wonderful opportunity for everyone.
General Discussion / Re: Possible VT solutions
« Last post by Amanda Nelson on December 16, 2017, 09:45:53 AM »
Hi Everyone,
   I think we have fully discussed all aspects of this topic and I will be closing this thread. Chris and I appreciate everyone’s comments and opinion and we take all of them into account. Thank you!

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General Discussion / Re: New rule changes
« Last post by Sheila & the Shelties on December 15, 2017, 06:56:40 PM »
I've taught all my dog
s a solid start line stay, but that's because I want to have a lead out and get into the position I want because I am not a fast runner. But I have no problem with somebody that wants to drop their dog and run, but be aware that when you're older you may wish you had that start Line Stay. ;D. I have no problem with people mean taking a step back to get their dogs attention or to tell them to sit or whatever they want to do. I'm dealing with one of my dogs that has become deaf, and today I had to step back to make sure she understood I wanted her to stay. As long as they're not wasting time or spending a lot of time with the issue, and that is a judge's call, so I don't think it should be a problem. I don't have any issue with bringing a dog around at the last obstacle. I remember when I started I thought it was strange that you could not do that when you could do it with any other obstacle. The only issue I see here is people who have not taught their dog a start line stay, but all of a sudden decide at a trial they want to enforce a stay and taking up a lot of time to make their dog stay.
General Discussion / Re: Possible VT solutions
« Last post by Sheila & the Shelties on December 15, 2017, 06:35:02 PM »
Karissa, I wasn't saying you competed in a venue because most of your friends were there. I was simply speculating on a reason why your student decided to do a AKC instead of NADAC. It does seem rather strange to me with the conditions you describe, unless she doesn't feel confident and is happier only doing one or two runs a day.  And I agree if you only do Nate at, you can't address why other people aren't. But I have talked to people from other venues, and people from other venues attend our trials, so I think I can repeat what they may have said.

As for my instructor pushing NADAC, I can honestly say she did not do that. She taught only NADAC, but also the trials held in the area we're mostly NADAC. There was maybe one USDAA trial & one AKC a year, and no CPE at all. So even if I was interested another venue, it wouldn't have made sense for me when there were eight or nine NADAC trials within the local area, and others within 3 to 4 hours. And I like NADAC's concern with safety and them am comfortable with it. That is why I'm surprised that some people knock NADAC when there's a lot of Trials here. Once people develop an idea or prejudice, it's often hard to change them.
General Discussion / Re: VT Voting Results
« Last post by Roger Coor on December 15, 2017, 09:45:11 AM »
Thanks Chris,
  I think the revision of VTs is something everyone can live with.  Personally I would not mind at all if in the submission it did ask for one or two names and email addresses of people who were present witnessed what happened and actively participated in NADAC.
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