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General Discussion / Re: VT Voting Results
« Last post by Dheavner on December 10, 2017, 02:35:41 PM »

Where will the video be posted?
General Discussion / Re: VT Voting Results
« Last post by RobertStewart on December 10, 2017, 02:24:31 PM »
Overall really like most of the results! But, can live with the rest.

I don't think there's another agility organization that would even ask it's competitors
this kind of information. Another reason many of us really appreciate NADAC!

General Discussion / Re: Possible VT solutions
« Last post by dogrsqr on December 10, 2017, 01:28:38 PM »
Some people are assuming that VT runs are taking place at training centers where dogs are taking class and they are therefore comfortable there.  That may be true in some cases but not all.  Even if it is the case how is that any different than those that only trial at the same place at regular trials?

VT runs don't take any runs from our trials.  People here are using them to supplement the classes that are harder for them or that aren't offered much.

I really don't understand how someone getting a title thru VT runs makes anybody else's title a joke.  Even if you believe that, if you get yours at regular trials isn't that different than how the other got theirs?

Quite frankly I don't care what anyone else says anyway.  I really don't understand why people feel the need to judge what brings others happiness. 

I am glad that NADAC has time/distance restrictions on judges.  I would find it boring to show under the same judge all the time.

General Discussion / VT Voting Results
« Last post by Chris Nelson on December 10, 2017, 09:00:10 AM »
Results are in!

We'll be posting a video later today explaining the new changes and some other things that will be going into effect January 1st.
General Discussion / Re: Possible VT solutions
« Last post by Lin Battaglia on December 10, 2017, 08:52:16 AM »
Sharon this sounds like a good solution and helps everyone. Freeing up time for both Amanda and Chris for their already big job of running NADAC while traveling too. Not only did you start NADAC but you started the VTs so you have the knowledge to judge those VTs. Changes need to be made and policing of VTs does have to be accurate and stepped up. I have no doubt you and Becky can do that.
General Discussion / Re: Western Regional winners
« Last post by Kyle on December 09, 2017, 10:22:54 PM »
Chris - I think Sheila did a great job of wording it, with the one typo fixed, changing the one "it" to an "at" and I think it's quite understandable! Good work, Sheila!!  ;D

General Discussion / Re: Western Regional winners
« Last post by Chris Nelson on December 09, 2017, 04:50:29 PM »
Kyle's explanation is correct.

You get a invitation to Champs, so if you don't quite meet the qualification requirements you're still good to go.
And you get into the finals round, regardless of where you placed in the rounds leading up to finals.

We'll have to see how it works for this year, since it's still a new idea for us.

I get that this isn't something that is a top priority, but just humming on it a little, I'm thinking that the only "sticky" part would be that for the Finals, if a Regional winner didn't qualify for the Finals during Champs, that they would be just an *addition* to the percentage going to the Finals in their class rather than an *inclusion* of the percentage. (I sure hope that makes sense!!) An "extra" dog in their class at Finals shouldn't be a problem, right? Plus it makes it fair for those who honestly qualify for the Finals during Champs.  ;D


That is most likely what will happen.

The reason we're going to sort of see what happens is that I have a strong gut feeling the dogs who won at regionals will also have no problem making the cut at Championships.  If that is the case we wouldn't be 'ghosting' their entry into finals, since they earned it.

But yes if a team doesn't make the top 33%, but won their division at Regionals, then they still get to go into finals.   But, their entry wouldn't count against someone else making it in.    Somewhat confusing but we've got a little time to word it correctly so it makes more sense :)
General Discussion / Re: Possible VT solutions
« Last post by Sharon Nelson on December 09, 2017, 03:50:45 PM »

If the reason to dispose of the VT program is because it is too much work and not cost effective for NADAC, then you either have to make that decision based on business reasons or solicit reasons that might assist with that problem.

If NADAC needs help, Becky and I would be more than willing to do the VTs.  We don't travel and are almost always available.  It could help us make the house payment here if NADAC needs help!  We have helped in the past, we have experience, and it could help all of us!

General Discussion / Online Classes and Webinars with Amanda Nelson
« Last post by Amanda Nelson on December 09, 2017, 09:05:42 AM »
Lots of new stuff happening this mont with Fluid Motion Agility/Amanda Nelson!  Please check out the various online classes and upcoming webinars, if you have any questions please feel free to contact Amanda at or visit

Upcoming Webinars -

December 18th - 5pm PST - Fitness for Agility

During this webinar Amanda will be discussing how fitness is crucial for agility, maintaining position on contacts, proper form while weaving, jumping, etc. Amanda will also be showing some foundation fitness exercises to start at home.

December 13th 5pm PST - Beginning Contact Training

During this webinar Amanda will be discussing how she begins her contact training, how she encourages proper form on the contact, and building value for proper positioning on the contact.

December 11th 5pm PST - Cue Timing and Connection

During this webinar Amanda will be analyzing various videos to discuss timing of cues and how to maintain connection during an agility run.

Before the Startline class with Fenzi Dog Sports Academy -

What is Before the Startline?

This is a class I am very excited to be offering, it is 2 years in the making! This class along with Beyond the Startline (That i will be offering in February) cover all of my foundation games and exercises that I teach my dogs (young and old!) for confidence in agility! And these games and skills can be used for lots of different dog sports. 😀 I will be teaching these games and more!

Bed Games
Middle or “Spot” games
Cup Games
Moving Waits
Hand Targeting
And more!

These games will help teach dogs impulse control, confidence boosting, thinking, engagement, focus, and these will all be games I will transition to the competition ring.

I still have some working spots available and it is not to late to get started! Registration closes on December 15th.  Please email me with any questions, I can’t tell you how excited I am to be working with everyone in this class!

Handle it From a Distance and Intro to Hoopers -

Both of these classes are offered through Touchngo K9 in the UK, but they are accepting registrations from around the globe!

Handle it From a Distance -

During this 4 week class Amanda will be going over exercises to help build your dogs distance skills as well as confidence building exercises for both the dog and handler. Amanda will cover skills such as vertical distance skills, lateral distance skills, and adding distance to your directionals. This class is perfect for young dogs just starting out, or older dogs who need to take their distance skills to the next level! Amanda gives detailed feedback on all homework and will tailor the lessons to each team.

Intro to Hoopers -

During this 4 week class Amanda will cover how to introduce the hoop to your dog, adding sequencing skills to hoops, as well as distance and directional skills. Amanda will also discuss how hoops can be the perfect training tool for all agility training and how you can use them to take your distance and directional skills to the next level! Amanda will give detailed feedback on all homework and will tailor the lessons to each team.

Online Private Lessons -

Amanda will also be opening up her schedule to offer online private lessons again.  You can choose to sign up for a week long private lesson or a month long lesson.  All lessons can be done via email or Amanda will create a private Facebook group, both will include discussion and video review.   

Amanda will also be offering "group" semi-private lessons. A maximum of three people can sign up and Amanda will create a private Facebook group or a private page where all members of the group can share videos, lessons, and ask questions. Group Semi-Private lessons are available as either week long or month long sign ups. 

Please visit this link to view more details or to sign up -

Seminars and Workshops -

Be sure to check out the Fluid Motion Calendar for information on upcoming in-person seminars and workshops. If you interested in hosting a seminar please email Amanda at
General Discussion / Re: Possible VT solutions
« Last post by Sheila & the Shelties on December 09, 2017, 05:18:48 AM »
I tend to be of the opinion that being highly concerned about other people's opinion of the validity of your titles or  organization choices is a personal problem - not a problem with the organization or for the organization to solve.   

I can't think of a single agility organization that I do not hear derided and mocked by people who don't like it.   Including 'Agility in the USA as a whole is a joke'.   So be it.  I know where I run, how I run, under what conditions I run and feel absolutely no need to demand that other people do the same so I can convince other people to be 'appropriately' impressed by those titles.

I also think that, again, saying VT runs won't count for titles is going to alienate those people from coming to trials at all, accomplish nothing but soothing some wounded pride in a minority of trial competitors, and generally do nothing to address the issues that this reform is meant to address.   That's opinion.  what's going to happen is going to happen.  Some people are going to be unhappy no matter what.   It's just the nature of the beast.

Well said.  And whether the VT program exists or not, I don't think it will affect the way people think of Nadac. Anyone that has anything derogatory to say, let them try a Nadac course and see how they do.

And as for eliminating VT runs so that more people come to trials, there is no guarantee if you eliminate it, more people will go to trials. It could be that they never would have attended trials in the first place. There could be other reasons why they're not attending trials. And finally, looking at the numbers Chris posted, there was only 26 VT Qs submitted in an entire year in my area. I realize that that doesn't include other runs people may not have run in and gotten a q, but even if you multiply that by four times, it is not a figure that would make or break local trials over a year.
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