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2018 Championships / 8 ft or 9 ft A-frame at champs
« Last post by Lindsey Cooper on July 11, 2018, 02:17:35 PM »
In the past, the A-frame that has been used at Champs has 8 ft ramps. Will that be the case again this year?

I just want to make sure so I can start focusing on training whichever one we'll be seeing there.

2018 Championships / Re: 2018 Championship Charms
« Last post by Jeanne Allen on July 11, 2018, 02:17:07 PM »
I will take one!  See you at Champs!
2018 Championships / Re: 2018 Championship Charms
« Last post by Kristen.gates620 on July 11, 2018, 01:19:31 PM »
I would like one please :)

Kristen Gates
2018 Championships / Re: 2018 Championship Charms
« Last post by Marsha01 on July 11, 2018, 09:09:30 AM »
I would like one. Marsha Orrick
2018 Championships / Re: 2018 Championship Charms
« Last post by Donna & Gracie on July 11, 2018, 04:49:37 AM »
I would like one please !
Donna Reil
2018 Championships / 2018 Championship Charms
« Last post by Karin Bell on July 10, 2018, 05:20:39 PM »
Hi all,

I will once again be offering a commemorative Charm for this year's Championship.  I do not have the details yet but the cost of the charm will be $12.00.  As in years past, I would love preorders so I know how many I need to order.  Please email me at if you want more information. 

Can't wait to see all of you at Champs again.  Always a fun time.

Karin Bell
I guess there's pluses and minuses for either sex both ways, whether bitches are allowed to run in season or not.

For the bitches, I do know for a fact, that there are many who do go through emotional changes while in season. Some become very soft - softer than normal in their work. Some just act like they are out in space somewhere. Some can do a little work and then just lose it. In these cases, most handlers feel like they are just beating their head against a wall to try and work these girlies. So, let's say, BIS are allowed to run at trials and you take your in season bitch who is having major emotional issues to a trial and *expect* her to do well, is this going to go well for you or your dog? Are you really going to pull from a trial or are you going to say to yourself you'll just "go for fun", when we all know when you get there it won't be fun at all for your honest with yourselves.... In my classes, I say take those 3 weeks off. It's just not worth it to the handler, the dog or their training program.  :) There are some females who act like nothing has changed in their life - what a relief to have one of those. But, they have been in the minority in my experience.

I also have problems like Lin Battaglia - coyotes. They come looking for a food source (my sheep) and then get doubly interested by bitches in season....great....  :( (There's things folks who come for lessons just never think about or realize because it's beyond their realm of reality...)

Now, there may be a whole ton of folks like Karissa who own intact males and have (probably) taken the time and found the opportunities to train their boys to do their work and ignore bitches in season. Honestly, I don't know a whole lot of them. I *do* know a whole lot of folks with intact males who use bitches in supposed season as a reason why their dog didn't do well. Oh my gosh, the *anger* at someone who has a suspect female! Sitting on the sidelines hearing this....ugh. If bitches in season would be allowed to run, I think this is going to just get worse....maybe not the anger but the excuse making....double ugh.

A long, long time ago, in the herding world, bitches in season were not allowed to run. Then they decided that should change and they allowed them to all run at the end of the day (no matter the class level). That was a total pain and seemed dumb so they changed it so the bitches in season all ran at the end of their class. Well, that was a pain too, and seemed dumb so now they all just run in order. No matter where the girls run, some males (intact or not) will still quit working to sniff. The scent lasts longer than overnight and certainly just the time of building a course will do *no* good whatsoever to alleviate the issue. (They don't wear panties either, so in herding we won't suffer the "Great Underwear Revolution"!!! hahaha! Thank you for that!! I LOVE it!!!) In herding, at least the dog's instinct will (usually) keep him working - there's no "instinct" really in doing agility so that's not going to help.

Personally I don't feel bitches in season should be allowed to enter because some of their owners don't always make good choices for their emotional girls, none of us want to hear the bitching from some intact male owners and no matter what plans are made to "alleviate the smell" (panties, start line rugs or whatever other pain in the butt hoops you make them jump through), it's still going to be there for dogs who have an amazing sense of smell that we can't even begin to understand. 

Guess I'm glad to see/hear that the results are not in favor of this. I don't even have a horse in this race as all my are altered - did the breeding thing, done with it. Nowadays, I want to be able to run my girls any day of the year I want to enter something.  ;D

Just my humble opinion as always,

I have to agree with you Kyle.  We have 3 intact females that are hunting dogs.  We can't hunt them when they are in season at all.  First, with hunting, we have NO idea what other dogs might be out there and we can't take that chance.  Second, as you said, they are an emotional mess.... UGH!  They are clingy, needy and just plain freaked out.  One of them gets outright bitchy as well.  They certainly wouldn't be in the right mindset to hunt, so I couldn't even see them trying to do something like agility.  And I don't think it is fair to the male dogs.  Our male dogs are around them when they are in heat, and they are STILL a PITA after more than 8 years and all those heat cycles!  They fight with each other, sit outside the crates and whine, or sit inside their crates and whine and often won't eat for days.  I wouldn't want to see what happens to a novice handler or a junior handler with a male around a BIS.

As someone else said, this is for fun.   And while yes, things can be trained, it is like anything else, some dogs and handlers will do better than others at the training.
General Discussion / Re: 2018 World Competition
« Last post by SandeeStewie on July 09, 2018, 10:10:13 PM »
Just throwing an idea up there, it could be really cool for runs on both side of the pond to be posted online somewhere so we can see how the other participants are running that same course.  I have to imagine with the time changes that we would not be running simultaneously ... otherwise someone is pulling an all-nighter!

Livestreaming an event from almost anywhere, even without wifi accessibility, is now in reach for most people, particularly those tech savvy.
General Discussion / Re: Changing dogs name to show AKC titles
« Last post by DonnaKaye on July 09, 2018, 09:39:13 PM »
Thanks for the input. I wasn't looking to cause any administrative headaches, was just wondering. I appreciate your replies.

2018 Championships / Re: Pre Trial
« Last post by Marcy Matties on July 09, 2018, 09:12:56 AM »
Are there going to be side runs this year?

There  won't be any side runs because they are running two rings in the main arena - the Elite Champs ring and the Pre-Elite Champs ring.
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