Author Topic: Safety on the Dogwalk  (Read 6865 times)

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Re: Safety on the Dogwalk
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2014, 07:59:55 AM »
I don't believe our dogwalk adjusts to a 3' height.  Even if there was a multiple year grace period that would not make it any easier to afford the purchase a new dogwalk. 

Much like someone from Illinois posted, that would probably be the last nail in the coffin for NADAC in our area anyway.  I would probably deal with it because I like NADAC courses, but I can't control what the rest of the agility population thinks.  In our area it is way too easy to just go do the other 6 venues that are available.  So being totally selfish I only worry about how this would affect me, which would probably be that in an area with multiple trials every weekend I would have no trials to go to. 

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Re: Safety on the Dogwalk
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2014, 08:59:12 AM »
Although my first instinct would have been to try to catch my dog, to me, it looked like Mark's dog was "bailing" because he felt himself mis-step and he would have landed on his feet.  I am not sure I would have stayed on my feet like Mark did! 
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Re: Safety on the Dogwalk
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2014, 12:17:33 PM »
20% reflex, 80% dumb luck :) and yes we have developed a great working relationship over the last 11 years.
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Re: Safety on the Dogwalk
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2014, 02:23:34 PM »
It looked like width was the problem. 

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Re: Safety on the Dogwalk
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2014, 06:27:07 PM »
well that looked planned, Mark!  Hey how come you didn't catch my Jack when he fell off it last year when you were judging us?  ;)
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Re: Safety on the Dogwalk
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2014, 09:06:04 PM »
I don't believe our dogwalk adjusts to a 3' height.  Even if there was a multiple year grace period that would not make it any easier to afford the purchase a new dogwalk. 

Much like someone from Illinois posted, that would probably be the last nail in the coffin for NADAC in our area anyway.  I would probably deal with it because I like NADAC courses, but I can't control what the rest of the agility population thinks.  In our area it is way too easy to just go do the other 6 venues that are available.  So being totally selfish I only worry about how this would affect me, which would probably be that in an area with multiple trials every weekend I would have no trials to go to. 

Gina and Abbey

Why are we talking about any grace period or any dog walk that doesn't adjust??  Never has there been any talk about any change or requirement of ANY kind.  I said IF a club wanted to lower theirs they could, but it would never be a requirement in any way whatsoever.

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Re: Safety on the Dogwalk
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2014, 09:40:27 PM »
If clubs have the option of lowering their dog walk, then to what height and when could that be done. Are you looking for a Beta test run trial ? It would change the yardage/times for the courses then too. Something else to consider.

You are right Sharon this was never about the width of the dog walk or the length of the ramps, it was about the height of the Dog Walk.

What I have seen are training issues, bad entries on to the DW, very fast dogs and dogs looking at handlers. However, we do see some equipment problems with old sagging equipment that flexs too much with the weight of a big dog. Here we sometimes have windy weather problems which is not an equipment problem. We have had to turn the courses on the ground to help with the wind direct or the equipment has been removed for something safer in the wind. Everyone with a small dog has the right to ask the club and judge to consider doing that for the conditions.   

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Re: Safety on the Dogwalk
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2014, 07:51:43 AM »
If clubs have the option of lowering their dog walk, then to what height and when could that be done. Are you looking for a Beta test run trial ? It would change the yardage/times for the courses then too. Something else to consider.

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No, the yardage and times absolutely would NOT be changed or adjusted.  The dog is still covering the exact same piece of equipment.  That is not a factor in this topic at all.

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Re: Safety on the Dogwalk
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2014, 08:09:01 AM »
Not only can't afford, but have no place to keep/store additional dog walks.  I absolutely favor keeping this sport as safe as possible, but changing the dog walk specs might actually be less safe for dogs that compete in multiple venues.  I love doing NADAC, but also enjoy competing in other forums as well, and this is true for many people in our area.  Our dogs learn how long and high the walk is, and that is predictable to them.  I used to hate trialing in another venue that allowed 8' long ramps because my dogs weren't exposed to it very often and they wouldn't necessarily know to adjust their striding in traversing a shorter walk.  And I have to say, in all the years I have been trialing, I have seen relatively few dogs fall off the walk, except in high wind situations, where NADAC allows the judge to pull the dog walk and substitute other obstacles in that part of the course.
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Re: Safety on the Dogwalk
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2014, 12:11:30 PM »
Just because I can be anal about things like this...
Yes, the dog certainly does travel the same distance whether the dog walk height is say four feet or three feet, as the ramp lengths stay the same....
However  the ramps themselves will cover "more ground" on the course by virtue of the ramps extending out farther on the course as you lower the height.  I was wondering if that would impact the actual course design, so had to sit down and do the math  :). The difference between a 4' height and a 3' height would be 7.3258 inches (3.6629" at each ramp).  So I don't think that would have a significant impact requiring any--or perhaps miniscule--adjustments by course builders.
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Re: Safety on the Dogwalk
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2014, 12:15:23 PM »
Not only can't afford, but have no place to keep/store additional dog walks.  I absolutely favor keeping this sport as safe as possible, but changing the dog walk specs might actually be less safe for dogs that compete in multiple venues.  I love doing NADAC, but also enjoy competing in other forums as well, and this is true for many people in our area.  Our dogs learn how long and high the walk is, and that is predictable to them.  I used to hate trialing in another venue that allowed 8' long ramps because my dogs weren't exposed to it very often and they wouldn't necessarily know to adjust their striding in traversing a shorter walk.  And I have to say, in all the years I have been trialing, I have seen relatively few dogs fall off the walk, except in high wind situations, where NADAC allows the judge to pull the dog walk and substitute other obstacles in that part of the course.

No one has mentioned any club buying other equipment, no one has mentioned changing specs.

There is way more being read into this conversation than what has been said from the NADAC office.

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Re: Safety on the Dogwalk
« Reply #41 on: July 24, 2014, 01:20:40 PM »
It appears to me that people are jumping in before having read the whole thread and Sharon's answers to previous posts.  That's how things get exaggerated.
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