Re: EGC 2015

[Rebecca Kriz]

I didn't ask about this earlier because I decided it really didn't matter, but seeing that additional feedback is being taken into consideration, I figured it didn't hurt to bring it up.  When the Vers-NATCH 'merge' was announced, I wondered if the points required would remain the same, or would the Barrelers/X-Hoopers point requirements be lowered to match the other classes.  I was thinking that lowering the EGC requirements to 130 might make the additional classes an easier pill to swallow.  (Could be wrong, and I'm sure someone will let me know.)  I also think having everything the same makes it easier to remember/explain.  The titling requirements for the lower levels now match all the other classes, so why not carry it to the upper levels?  Just a thought.

[Sharon Nelson]

I didn't ask about this earlier because I decided it really didn't matter, but seeing that additional feedback is being taken into consideration, I figured it didn't hurt to bring it up.  When the Vers-NATCH 'merge' was announced, I wondered if the points required would remain the same, or would the Barrelers/X-Hoopers point requirements be lowered to match the other classes.  I was thinking that lowering the EGC requirements to 130 might make the additional classes an easier pill to swallow.  (Could be wrong, and I'm sure someone will let me know.)  I also think having everything the same makes it easier to remember/explain.  The titling requirements for the lower levels now match all the other classes, so why not carry it to the upper levels?  Just a thought.

Actually the titling requirements are not the same as the other classes, they match the same format as Regular.  Also Barrelers and X-Hoopers always requires the same course run twice and we aren't changing that.  Also Barrelers and X-Hoopers is all about handling without any focus on "obstacles" which makes it very different.

An All Around NATCH is something way above a Versatility NATCH and part of that is the added requirement of those two extra classes.  If it was the same as Tn, Tg, and Wv, then it wouldn't reflect the stringent requirements for the All Around.

We have always required a huge requirement for an Elite All Around Award.  That is why there are so few of them and that is why you earn a spot in the Hall of Fame if you can meet that requirement.

I would hate to see the term "All Around" become something much less when it is combined with word "NATCH".  If we use the term "All Around NATCH" then it must require the same high level of skills reflected with that terminology.  One must earn 230 Hoopers points for the All Around Award.  It would be hard to say that an All Around NATCH criteria is lowered to 130 to earn that status.

[Rebecca Kriz]

Ahaha, I thought about clarifying that this suggestion was not referring to the All Around NATCH, but the future 'merged' Vers-NATCH that included X-Hoopers/Barrelers, but didn't.   I am totally down with the All Around NATCH requiring the higher points, as that is separate from the Versatility NATCH.  I was just throwing out the idea that maybe when the two awards 'merged,' the points required be the same across the classes, and that it might make people a little more accepting of the idea of Barrelers/X-Hoopers being part of the Vers-NATCH.

[Maureen deHaan]

Personally, I like the idea of keeping the All Around NATCH separate from the Vers. NATCH for a couple of reasons

1- Not everyone offers / plays the X-games - so why should someone not be able  to earn a Vers NATCH if those games are not offered in their area or they choose not to play them for whatever reason - some people just don't like them (although I can't imagine why    )

2- X-games require a different skill set  and I really think teams who can achieve the 230 points in the Elite level of the X-Games deserve to earn a special NATCH that is separate from the Vers. NATCH

The beauty of NADAC is something for everyone - having the 3 options for different NATCHes again proves that

JMO -

[Rsquared]

I understand what Rebecca is saying.  Keep the All Around NATCh point requirements as they are until that award goes away and you just offer the Versatility NATCH.  At that point, change the point requirement for a Versatility NATCH to match the other special skills classes required for the V-NATCH.  130 points is a lot less daunting than 230. You would eliminate the need for two separate award categories and you might get more clubs offering EGC.

Ronni and All Around NATCH Scooter & A-D-D Ollie

[Sharon Nelson]

Ahaha, I thought about clarifying that this suggestion was not referring to the All Around NATCH, but the future 'merged' Vers-NATCH that included X-Hoopers/Barrelers, but didn't.   I am totally down with the All Around NATCH requiring the higher points, as that is separate from the Versatility NATCH.  I was just throwing out the idea that maybe when the two awards 'merged,' the points required be the same across the classes, and that it might make people a little more accepting of the idea of Barrelers/X-Hoopers being part of the Vers-NATCH.

Good input and good thoughts!!

Sharon

[cheerily999]

I'm glad I checked in again on this topic. It appears that there's an opportunity for input on the final plan. If indeed that's the case, I'd like to give my support for the concept of keeping the V-NATCH as it is and then add the option to swap out Tunnelers for X-Barrelers or X-Hoopers since they seem to be similar "tests". I don't have an opinion as to whether the Qs from these three classes that count towards the V-NATCH must all be in one class or if all Qs from these three classes should be combined. And I don't have an opinion about a higher level award beyond the NATCH/V-NATCH.

I look forward to learning the final plan for this change. It will certainly affect whether I continue in NADAC.

Best,

Cheryl Henning
Salem, OR

[Sharon Nelson]

I'm glad I checked in again on this topic. It appears that there's an opportunity for input on the final plan. If indeed that's the case, I'd like to give my support for the concept of keeping the V-NATCH as it is and then add the option to swap out Tunnelers for X-Barrelers or X-Hoopers since they seem to be similar "tests". I don't have an opinion as to whether the Qs from these three classes that count towards the V-NATCH must all be in one class or if all Qs from these three classes should be combined. And I don't have an opinion about a higher level award beyond the NATCH/V-NATCH.

I look forward to learning the final plan for this change. It will certainly affect whether I continue in NADAC.

Best,

Cheryl Henning
Salem, OR

The NATCH program will remain as it is.

Sharon

[Linda W. Anderson]

Thank you, Sharon, for listening and considering all opinions.
Linda

[Sharon Nelson]

Thank you, Sharon, for listening and considering all opinions.
Linda

I try Linda!!  Thanks for the note!

Sharon

[Erin Wajda]

I too am in favor of keeping the Versatility NATCH as is and adding the X-Hoopers and Barrelers in to a "new" All Around NATCH.  I don't think we should change the requirements for an award that has been around as long as the Versatility NATCH.  The addition of the All Around NATCH that includes the "new" classes would be like the addition of the Versatility NATCH when Tunnelers, Weavers, and Touch N Go were new.   I LOVE how NADAC is always evolving!

Erin

[Sharon Nelson]

I too am in favor of keeping the Versatility NATCH as is and adding the X-Hoopers and Barrelers in to a "new" All Around NATCH.  I don't think we should change the requirements for an award that has been around as long as the Versatility NATCH.  The addition of the All Around NATCH that includes the "new" classes would be like the addition of the Versatility NATCH when Tunnelers, Weavers, and Touch N Go were new.   I LOVE how NADAC is always evolving!

Erin

Yep!  As I posted above, the Versatility NATCH will stay as is.

Sharon

[Lois Mierau]

As someone that doesn't do the extreme games I thank you for leaving the V-Natch as is!!

Lois Mierau
Sondog Agility
Saskatoon, Sk.

[cheerily999]

Yay! Very happy to hear that the V-NATCH program will remain as it is. Thank you, Sharon.

Cheryl Henning
Salem, OR

[Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso]

I too am in favor of keeping the Versatility NATCH as is and adding the X-Hoopers and Barrelers in to a "new" All Around NATCH.  I don't think we should change the requirements for an award that has been around as long as the Versatility NATCH.  The addition of the All Around NATCH that includes the "new" classes would be like the addition of the Versatility NATCH when Tunnelers, Weavers, and Touch N Go were new.   I LOVE how NADAC is always evolving!

Erin

Yep!  As I posted above, the Versatility NATCH will stay as is.



Sharon

Thanks for taking in all of our opinions!  That is why I love NADAC so much.  We actually can have an open discussion about possible changes and those opinions are listened to.