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Re: Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2016, 09:43:07 AM »

At Open and Elite the path would be determined by whether or not they are close enough to the barrel to go through the hoops next to the barrel.

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So if they fail to go through the hoop next to the barrel, would that be an NQ under the new scoring at Open or Elite levels? (i.e. a "missed obstacle"?)

I was wondering about this too.  I figured the hoops would be gone with the new scoring, since the path isn't judged in any other class.

The hoops gauge the actual "performance" of the barrel.  Without them the advanced dogs could take really wide turns which is not a correct performance of the obstacle, the barrel.  Even with wide turns the dogs will still make time and yet they failed to correctly perform the obstacle.  It would be like removing the color on the contact and just guessing on whether they correctly performed the obstacle of not by a visual guess.

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Re: Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2016, 10:16:27 AM »

At Open and Elite the path would be determined by whether or not they are close enough to the barrel to go through the hoops next to the barrel.

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So if they fail to go through the hoop next to the barrel, would that be an NQ under the new scoring at Open or Elite levels? (i.e. a "missed obstacle"?)

I was wondering about this too.  I figured the hoops would be gone with the new scoring, since the path isn't judged in any other class.

The hoops gauge the actual "performance" of the barrel.  Without them the advanced dogs could take really wide turns which is not a correct performance of the obstacle, the barrel.  Even with wide turns the dogs will still make time and yet they failed to correctly perform the obstacle.  It would be like removing the color on the contact and just guessing on whether they correctly performed the obstacle of not by a visual guess.

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So if they don't go through one of the hoops, is it a 10 pt. fault or a 20 pt. fault?
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Re: Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2016, 10:22:17 AM »

So if they don't go through one of the hoops, is it a 10 pt. fault or a 20 pt. fault?

5 faults, same as before.

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Re: Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2016, 03:23:30 PM »

At Open and Elite the path would be determined by whether or not they are close enough to the barrel to go through the hoops next to the barrel.

Sharon

So if they fail to go through the hoop next to the barrel, would that be an NQ under the new scoring at Open or Elite levels? (i.e. a "missed obstacle"?)

I was wondering about this too.  I figured the hoops would be gone with the new scoring, since the path isn't judged in any other class.

The hoops gauge the actual "performance" of the barrel.  Without them the advanced dogs could take really wide turns which is not a correct performance of the obstacle, the barrel.  Even with wide turns the dogs will still make time and yet they failed to correctly perform the obstacle.  It would be like removing the color on the contact and just guessing on whether they correctly performed the obstacle of not by a visual guess.

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Haha, after I asked, I thought about the different obstacles and made the contact analogy.  So, I guess the question is when are we going to start seeing hoops on barrels in the other classes?  ;)
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Re: Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2016, 04:44:16 PM »
Haha, after I asked, I thought about the different obstacles and made the contact analogy.  So, I guess the question is when are we going to start seeing hoops on barrels in the other classes?  ;)

Evidently you haven't run across a set yet, as they have been there on many sets in December and January in Regular so far.

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Re: Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2016, 04:54:07 PM »
Haha, after I asked, I thought about the different obstacles and made the contact analogy.  So, I guess the question is when are we going to start seeing hoops on barrels in the other classes?  ;)

Evidently you haven't run across a set yet, as they have been there on many sets in December and January in Regular so far.

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Nope, I only entered one trial in December.  I've got several trials coming up, so I'll probably see it soon.
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Re: Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2016, 05:18:20 PM »
So with the simplified scoring, will we now be able to do X-Hoopers and Barrelers as VT runs?

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Re: Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2016, 05:43:05 PM »

So if they don't go through one of the hoops, is it a 10 pt. fault or a 20 pt. fault?

5 faults, same as before.

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Any consideration for 5 pt Q's in Barrelers??? 
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Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2016, 08:57:28 PM »
Oh, I am sooooooo sad the EGC scoring is going away - I love, love, love the current scoring!  So, when it changes, does that mean a missed obstacle can be "fixed" and still be a Q?  And, if the YPS will be similar to HP - does that now mean that Skilled and Veterans will be part of XHP and Barrelers?  Thanks!!

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Re: Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2016, 02:54:09 PM »
All in favor of removing the contact zone... (Lol - couldn't help myself)

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Re: Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2016, 01:52:17 PM »
For the new scoring -- if there are 2 hoops on a barrel and the dog misses one of the hoops,  I assume you can send your dog around the barrel to get the hoop again correct?

I am thinking about hoop/barrels like weave poles... if a dog pops out of weave poles, you go back and do the whole thing over again.

Am I correct?

I really am liking hoopers and barrelers. I am glad that we are allowed to offer these classes in addition to the other classes.

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Re: Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2016, 02:34:08 PM »
Major bummer on the changing of the scoring for Barrelers and XHoopers.  I have LOVED the way the scoring has been.  It goes with the philosophy of your original intent of what EGC was to be about….run a path, stick to it and if an error made, get back on the path and go go go.  That philosophy has encouraged us to let our dogs run with out fixing mistakes; it has helped to build confidence and teamwork with our dogs.  It behooves you NOT to fix mistakes and to just get your team connection back with your dog.  I think that has help many a dog (and team) grow more and gain positive skills and immediate positive re-enforcement because it didn’t pay to fix an error.  I see that changing now as you go for the Q and not the score.
 
I think that BR and XHP is slowly growing in some areas; we are seeing it here on the east coast on the premiums for lots of new trials/clubs this coming year.  People are finally watching it and see the fun the dogs and people are having and are trying it.  I know that I have offered a couple of “come and try” days for these 2 classes and the attendance was good and growing.  We are actually holding a BR and XHP stand-alone trial and are very excited about it.  Can’t wait to see how much fun the dogs will have after running these classes for 2 days.
 
Please rethink the changing of the scoring, those that have run these classes for a long time love the scoring as it is.  Can you wait another 6 months to a year to see of things improve with the way you run it now?
 
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Re: Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2016, 02:46:25 PM »
I like the way you think Jean Wilkins, and agree with most of what you wrote.

In our area we continue to promote X-BR and X-HP and have offered them at all but one of our GDAC trials for the past two years.  We encourage entries by charging just $5/run for the "X-classes" (compared to $8-9 for all other NADAC classes) and also offer them at fun matches so competitors have a chance to see the courses and get some tips on how to handle them.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Jean.
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Re: Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2016, 04:43:36 PM »
I would like a chance at XHP and XBR.  So, I'll get a March chance at a fun-raiser and am trying to get those two added to our April trial.

Not having played these games since 2010, I think it would really help to have the scoring rules plus video examples (if anyone were to volunteer themselves) where there is a voice-over explaining faults.

And I would really like to have that even if/when the rules change.  That way I can go for the GO-GO-GO! and the teamwork.
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Re: Commonly asked questions about Numbered Hoopers and X-Hoopers
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2016, 05:32:32 PM »
Major bummer on the changing of the scoring for Barrelers and XHoopers.  I have LOVED the way the scoring has been.  It goes with the philosophy of your original intent of what EGC was to be about….run a path, stick to it and if an error made, get back on the path and go go go.  That philosophy has encouraged us to let our dogs run with out fixing mistakes; it has helped to build confidence and teamwork with our dogs.  It behooves you NOT to fix mistakes and to just get your team connection back with your dog.  I think that has help many a dog (and team) grow more and gain positive skills and immediate positive re-enforcement because it didn’t pay to fix an error.  I see that changing now as you go for the Q and not the score.
 
I think that BR and XHP is slowly growing in some areas; we are seeing it here on the east coast on the premiums for lots of new trials/clubs this coming year.  People are finally watching it and see the fun the dogs and people are having and are trying it.  I know that I have offered a couple of “come and try” days for these 2 classes and the attendance was good and growing.  We are actually holding a BR and XHP stand-alone trial and are very excited about it.  Can’t wait to see how much fun the dogs will have after running these classes for 2 days.
 
Please rethink the changing of the scoring, those that have run these classes for a long time love the scoring as it is.  Can you wait another 6 months to a year to see of things improve with the way you run it now?
 
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I agree to a point, Jean.  The extreme classes have been available for six years.  Clubs are just now starting to really embrace them and most of that is because it is down to two classes.

There will be an update and I wish to only have "one" update.  With the next update, we are updating the Barrelers and X-Hoopers classes to match Tunnelers, Touch N Go, etc.  We are also heavily discussing adding Skilled/Proficient, Standard/Veteran dog/Veteran handler/disabled handler/junior handler to "all" classes.  Also "maybe" increasing times for Weavers, Jumpers and Touch N Go, maybe. 

We have to decide which are the upcoming improvements for NADAC and it competitors.

If Barrelers and X-Hoopers remains "different" it will be the main reason that new people won't enter the classes.  When there is a different set of rules, it sets them apart.  That was fine when there was an entire "extreme" listing of 4 classes.  Now it is what causes the remaining two classes to be rejected.

I, too, love the existing scoring, but I have to look at the long term picture for NADAC.  If people will enter those classes, more and more of them will really enjoy the challenges and the thrill of a great run without necessarily earning more points.

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