Upcoming changes to Hoopers and X-hoopers

[knittingdog]

Just watched Video #3.  I LOVE it!  You've made it more challenging and maintained safety at the same time!

Excited to try it!

Robin

[Chris Nelson]

I have been running X hoopers, completed Nov superior, and had already earned a few Q's at open level. I. would really like the opportunity to run the circle as if the gates were there.

I was. confused by the markers you mentioned in the video.  could you post that course with a line drawn to show just what the bonus line would be?

I really would like to have same line at open available.

Isabel

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At the beginning of the video where it showed the greyed out circle, that is where the markers would be placed.  To try and re-create that circle as best possible

[Heidi Konesko]

This looks WAAAAAYYYY better than I was imagining.  Thank you for the further explanation and the video with the sample course.  I see now that it is going to open up more interesting possibilities for courses.
Onward and upward, I'm looking forward to tuning up our skills!
-Heidi with Penny and Jack in snowy icy NH   

[Rebecca Kriz]

I just saw that there's a poll up for opinions on the 'extra point' option.  My first reaction was 'Yes, my dog can do that!  Let's get some extra points,' but then I thought about it and does that amount of distance really merit 'bonus' points?  It made me wonder how many extra points we're talking, because I have the option to run an entire Elite Regular course from the 'distance challenge' for 5 extra points (if we don't earn 100+ dri scores).  Do I really want to receive 5 points for doing something that is closer in challenge to a Chances course?  (I'm just using 5 as an example and felt it was a likely number since NADAC typically gives us scores in increments of five.)  I hope I'm making some sense, but I'm thinking about how these extra points would relate to the bonus program.  It's really making me consider voting no, despite how much I'd like to get some extra points.

[Chris Nelson]

I just saw that there's a poll up for opinions on the 'extra point' option.  My first reaction was 'Yes, my dog can do that!  Let's get some extra points,' but then I thought about it and does that amount of distance really merit 'bonus' points?  It made me wonder how many extra points we're talking, because I have the option to run an entire Elite Regular course from the 'distance challenge' for 5 extra points (if we don't earn 100+ dri scores).  Do I really want to receive 5 points for doing something that is closer in challenge to a Chances course?  (I'm just using 5 as an example and felt it was a likely number since NADAC typically gives us scores in increments of five.)  I hope I'm making some sense, but I'm thinking about how these extra points would relate to the bonus program.  It's really making me consider voting no, despite how much I'd like to get some extra points.

This would have nothing to do with the bonus program

We're not going to call them bonus points, probably just going to say 'extra'.   It won't have any special designation in the point records, other then being 15 instead of 10.  So won't total up to count for any awards that require Distance Challenges or Bonuses

[Audri, Cee Cee, Lily, Toto, and Calypso]

While I won't likely run the course with the "extra" points, especially with my current dogs, I like the idea.  It satisfies everyone.  I admit, I am not a big fan of hoopers of any kind, so I am not likely to run this type of course often, but if people want to run it, then I see no downside to having it.  It is good for older dogs too. 

While I admit, the gates or pens help with the dogs path because they had nowhere else to go, I, myself, didn't like the gates because my little dog (all 11" of him) couldn't see me and therefore was not able to run it very well.  He ended up spinning cirlces in the middle and got very frustrated by it all.  He was far better with the gates because he could actually see me and my body.  However, I know people who didn't like the gates because their dogs didn't see them and ran into them.  So by removing both, you satisfy both groups of people.  Then by adding a line, you satisfy those who like to have the distance challenge.

[JimmyS.]

and part 2 of my question, Chris? (Thanks for answering the first part)

And second question, will it be offered as "2 runs on the same course" like the current Barrelers (and old X-Hoopers) runs?  Or two runs on different courses, like existing Numbered Hoopers (assuming we are not offering a BETA format trial).

Jean,

yes it will be required to be Double Run Format just like the old X-Hoopers and Barrelers is. If more than one round is offered in a weekend, they must be together.

2 day weekend, 2 rounds is the max
3 day weekend, 3 is the max, etc etc


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[Sheila & the Shelties]

Where is the poll mentioned in this thread?? I always go to The Forum first as I consider that the official place to get n information, but I don't see where this poll is located. I missed the last poll about x hoopers and whatever else it was about, and I would have liked to a participated in that. So where is this poll, and where will they be in the future? I am on Facebook, but with Facebook algorithm sometimes I don't receive all posts from a specific group or friend. So I am with Vicki Storrs and that I think we should designate where we go for official information or polls.

 Another thought I have had that has been expressed on here as well. I only saw extreme Hoopers showing up in my area in October or November 2016. And that's only because it was required for Champs. It sounds like perhaps the class didn't really get going in some areas.  Was it the amount of people entering compared to the numbers that would exist if people entered the Xtreme Hooperss classes that were offered? Or the numbers measured in comparison to what they were to other classes that are offered, such as jumpers?

Thank you for putting up with all our comments and questions. NADAC is still the best agility out there.

[Marj Vincent]

Here is the link for the Poll on extra points.

Nadac.com/Poll.html

[Team Twodog]

This link should be clickable:

http://www.nadac.com/Poll.html

[Chris Nelson]

Where is the poll mentioned in this thread?? I always go to The Forum first as I consider that the official place to get n information, but I don't see where this poll is located. I missed the last poll about x hoopers and whatever else it was about, and I would have liked to a participated in that. So where is this poll, and where will they be in the future? I am on Facebook, but with Facebook algorithm sometimes I don't receive all posts from a specific group or friend. So I am with Vicki Storrs and that I think we should designate where we go for official information or polls.

 Another thought I have had that has been expressed on here as well. I only saw extreme Hoopers showing up in my area in October or November 2016. And that's only because it was required for Champs. It sounds like perhaps the class didn't really get going in some areas.  Was it the amount of people entering compared to the numbers that would exist if people entered the Xtreme Hooperss classes that were offered? Or the numbers measured in comparison to what they were to other classes that are offered, such as jumpers?

Thank you for putting up with all our comments and questions. NADAC is still the best agility out there.

There wasn't a poll for the original change.  That change was based on a couple years of feedback and data.   

[Sara Langston]

This link should be clickable:

http://www.nadac.com/Poll.html

I have not seen anything on the Forum telling people about the Poll and where to go to see it.  Maybe I just missed it for some reason.  For future reference, how will we be notified that a Poll or something of that nature is out there for us to see???  I don't do Facebook and I don't check the NADAC website on a daily basis so would really like for the Forum to be the place for announcements like this.  Thanks, Marj and Team Twodog, for posting the link. 

Sara

[Edraith]

The poll was mentioned in this thread earlier and in the third change video
Perhaps a solution can be to start a new thread for polls so it doesnt get burried in conversation?

I do use fb and their algorithm makes things i want to see hide so i understand missing it there! Facebook is nice...but heckufannoying lately with not showing me things from pages Im set to follow!

Edit to add: another suggestion forumwise - most forums Im on have subsection that is at the top for official announcements only, set up often so only moderator/admins can start threads. Perhaps this forum couod benifit from that style so threads like this dont get burried in General or folks who come here just for announcements can easily find them all together.

[Heidi Konesko]

Sounds like a good idea.
-Heidi in NH

[Vicki Storrs]

TOTALLY understand and agree, Heidi.
Vicki Storrs