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2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« on: August 22, 2017, 04:55:07 AM »
Were these sent out for Pre Elite dogs as well?  Thanks!
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Re: 2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2017, 05:01:29 AM »
I got one for my DD dog but nothing for my other dog who should be in VH Ex-large.
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Re: 2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2017, 05:34:07 AM »
We are in medium/vet group.  Cocoa has been jumping in skilled which puts his jump height at 4 inches.  Will that be his jump height at Champs?  I don't remember if there was any way to indicate that on the entry form.

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Re: 2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 08:09:21 AM »
I'm sure Chris will chime in as soon as he can, but I assume your email just hasn't reached you yet. He has to send them out in batches so he doesn't get flagged as spam. :-)


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Re: 2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2017, 10:35:14 AM »
I received it this morning!!  You were right about batches. :) Thank you!
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Re: 2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2017, 10:46:10 AM »
just got mine. So excited to be going for the first time

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Re: 2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2017, 03:05:34 PM »
Everyone should have received them by now, 3PM on Tuesday.

I did get a couple that bounced back to me, so if you haven't received yours then just let me know and I'll bet your email was just entered wrong :)

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Re: 2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2017, 03:05:55 PM »
We are in medium/vet group.  Cocoa has been jumping in skilled which puts his jump height at 4 inches.  Will that be his jump height at Champs?  I don't remember if there was any way to indicate that on the entry form.

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Yup you can jump the same height you always do :)

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Re: 2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2017, 04:36:23 PM »
Thank you Chris.

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Re: 2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2017, 08:50:52 PM »
The groups email says:

"2) Pre-Elite does not get an extra division for Veteran handler or Veteran Dog.   This wasn't made clear on the entry form as it still asked for that info, but the request for that info was to get your jump height correct, not your competition group."

However, the PREMIUM specifically states in the Pre-elite section:

"If a dog is over 7 on August 1, 2017, then they MUST enter the Veterans division. If a dog is over 10 on the first day of the Championships, then they will be entered into the Double Digit division. Veterans may or may not be split into a different division in Pre- Elite, depending upon entry numbers. If not split, then all dogs jumping at the same height will be scored together."

My double-digit pre-elite dog does not have the double digit group designation in her groups email. She is listed as pre-elite-small. According to the premium, she should be in double-digit vets, even in pre-elite, because no exception was stated in the premium regarding double-digit vets.

Is there still a double-digit vets group in pre-elite, even though 7-10 vets was not split?

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Re: 2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2017, 08:47:26 AM »
The groups email says:

"2) Pre-Elite does not get an extra division for Veteran handler or Veteran Dog.   This wasn't made clear on the entry form as it still asked for that info, but the request for that info was to get your jump height correct, not your competition group."

However, the PREMIUM specifically states in the Pre-elite section:

"If a dog is over 7 on August 1, 2017, then they MUST enter the Veterans division. If a dog is over 10 on the first day of the Championships, then they will be entered into the Double Digit division. Veterans may or may not be split into a different division in Pre- Elite, depending upon entry numbers. If not split, then all dogs jumping at the same height will be scored together."

My double-digit pre-elite dog does not have the double digit group designation in her groups email. She is listed as pre-elite-small. According to the premium, she should be in double-digit vets, even in pre-elite, because no exception was stated in the premium regarding double-digit vets.

Is there still a double-digit vets group in pre-elite, even though 7-10 vets was not split?

The key part there is this line:
"Veterans may or may not be split into a different division in Pre- Elite, depending upon entry numbers."

If we split one group of Pre-Elite with a veterans division than we have to do that for all of them.   And there aren't enough entries in Pre-Elite to make that a reality as we would be taking 4 divisions and turning it into 8.     

I actually am not sure we have ever had enough entries to warrant it, so we will most likely remove that line from next years premium.   I know we didn't split them in 2016 either.

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Re: 2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2017, 11:49:40 AM »
The groups email says:

"2) Pre-Elite does not get an extra division for Veteran handler or Veteran Dog.   This wasn't made clear on the entry form as it still asked for that info, but the request for that info was to get your jump height correct, not your competition group."

However, the PREMIUM specifically states in the Pre-elite section:

"If a dog is over 7 on August 1, 2017, then they MUST enter the Veterans division. If a dog is over 10 on the first day of the Championships, then they will be entered into the Double Digit division. Veterans may or may not be split into a different division in Pre- Elite, depending upon entry numbers. If not split, then all dogs jumping at the same height will be scored together."

My double-digit pre-elite dog does not have the double digit group designation in her groups email. She is listed as pre-elite-small. According to the premium, she should be in double-digit vets, even in pre-elite, because no exception was stated in the premium regarding double-digit vets.

Is there still a double-digit vets group in pre-elite, even though 7-10 vets was not split?

The key part there is this line:
"Veterans may or may not be split into a different division in Pre- Elite, depending upon entry numbers."

If we split one group of Pre-Elite with a veterans division than we have to do that for all of them.   And there aren't enough entries in Pre-Elite to make that a reality as we would be taking 4 divisions and turning it into 8.     

I actually am not sure we have ever had enough entries to warrant it, so we will most likely remove that line from next years premium.   I know we didn't split them in 2016 either.

Yet breaking up the definitions to veterans 7-10 and double-digit dogs is clearly defining two different groups, with a disclaimer only mentioning the vet group of 7-10. No disclaimer is mentioned for double-digit vet, so people would interpret that as a certainty that there would be a double-digit vet group in pre-elite. This is why premiums should be as specific as possible, especially for a high-profile event like championships, rather than reusing the same document yearly.

Had I known that exceptions and changes to groups could be made after qualifying period was over, I would not have worked on only qualifying my double-digit vet to run in pre-elite, but to be in the regular championship class. I chose pre-elite for her so she would not have to run the full length champs courses, and for her to fairly compete against dogs like her.

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Re: 2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2017, 02:53:58 PM »
If you would like to move up to the elite level because of the discrepancy I will allow it.

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Re: 2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2017, 06:01:22 PM »
Do what you think is best for your dog.  Experience may win over youth anyway.  Most importantly HAVE FUN!!!!!!

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The groups email says:

"2) Pre-Elite does not get an extra division for Veteran handler or Veteran Dog.   This wasn't made clear on the entry form as it still asked for that info, but the request for that info was to get your jump height correct, not your competition group."

However, the PREMIUM specifically states in the Pre-elite section:

"If a dog is over 7 on August 1, 2017, then they MUST enter the Veterans division. If a dog is over 10 on the first day of the Championships, then they will be entered into the Double Digit division. Veterans may or may not be split into a different division in Pre- Elite, depending upon entry numbers. If not split, then all dogs jumping at the same height will be scored together."

My double-digit pre-elite dog does not have the double digit group designation in her groups email. She is listed as pre-elite-small. According to the premium, she should be in double-digit vets, even in pre-elite, because no exception was stated in the premium regarding double-digit vets.

Is there still a double-digit vets group in pre-elite, even though 7-10 vets was not split?

The key part there is this line:
"Veterans may or may not be split into a different division in Pre- Elite, depending upon entry numbers."

If we split one group of Pre-Elite with a veterans division than we have to do that for all of them.   And there aren't enough entries in Pre-Elite to make that a reality as we would be taking 4 divisions and turning it into 8.     

I actually am not sure we have ever had enough entries to warrant it, so we will most likely remove that line from next years premium.   I know we didn't split them in 2016 either.

Yet breaking up the definitions to veterans 7-10 and double-digit dogs is clearly defining two different groups, with a disclaimer only mentioning the vet group of 7-10. No disclaimer is mentioned for double-digit vet, so people would interpret that as a certainty that there would be a double-digit vet group in pre-elite. This is why premiums should be as specific as possible, especially for a high-profile event like championships, rather than reusing the same document yearly.

Had I known that exceptions and changes to groups could be made after qualifying period was over, I would not have worked on only qualifying my double-digit vet to run in pre-elite, but to be in the regular championship class. I chose pre-elite for her so she would not have to run the full length champs courses, and for her to fairly compete against dogs like her.
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Re: 2017 Championships Group Info Emails
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2017, 07:34:03 PM »
Had I known that exceptions and changes to groups could be made after qualifying period was over, I would not have worked on only qualifying my double-digit vet to run in pre-elite, but to be in the regular championship class. I chose pre-elite for her so she would not have to run the full length champs courses, and for her to fairly compete against dogs like her.

Double-digit dogs run the same course as Pre-Elite for the rounds that have a shortened course. The only difference is that the Pre-Elite dogs don't get judged in the distance component and the DD dogs do.

Pre-Elite is thought of as the "baby dog" division by most people. I can't imagine there are a large number of double digit Pre-Elite entries since the limitation of 100 Elite Regular points was put into place. If being judged against other DD dogs is of importance to you it sounds like Chris is offering up a great solution to move into the Double-Digit "Elite" class.

Groupings have NEVER been guaranteed or published until after the close of entries. And there has never been an age separation for Pre-Elite.
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