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Re: New Course Design !*&%&*
« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2017, 06:59:34 PM »
I also would like to know about June time changes.  Will it be more or less time?

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« Reply #46 on: November 29, 2017, 07:21:16 PM »
I also would like to know about June time changes.  Will it be more or less time?

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We’ll be posting details soon. 

But it will be based off of 8 different trials across the country running the same courses.  And those  dog times  will determine the times for the following year.


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Re: New Course Design !*&%&*
« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2017, 08:19:53 PM »
I really wanted to stay out of this...and I'm not sure anything I say will be valued.... Some of the comments make me sad. NADAC "was" about DISTANCE, DIRECTIONALS, and SPEED not the handler running with their dog all around the course. Running with your dog is what happens in the other venues. Do we want to be like other venues ? What happens to the dogs body is the most important to me. And jerking them around a congested course is not fun. Why would anyone with fast dogs want to slow them down. My Sheltie is fast but smaller so he doesn't have trouble, he nearly always has a perfect weekend. I like a challenging course but it needs to be fair to the dogs body and not causing harm to my fast BCs.
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« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2017, 08:27:55 PM »
I can very gladly post the course from 2007 that everyone is complaining about.   I have a very good grasp of what NADAC was.

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« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2017, 08:35:36 PM »
Here are some courses from 2006 and 2007 by our best course designers of that time.

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« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2017, 08:37:33 PM »
Another course from 2007 designed by someone very close to all of these discussions who thinks the current courses are too difficult

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« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2017, 09:21:39 PM »
To the best of my memory, I have not run these courses recently. We evolved from there.

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« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2017, 09:28:31 PM »
Evolution does not mean forgetting where you came from


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« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2017, 09:52:25 PM »
I am going to throw my .02 in here as well.

 I want to make a few comments about the “Feather” course that was mentioned. A very close version of this course was run at the NADAC Championships with some of the fastest dogs in the country. I watched many of these runs, and many of them were flawless. That course in particular is a handlers course, the dogs line has very little challenge to it if the handler puts them on the correct line to each obstacle. But the key to that course was that the handler needed to cue collection and extension. I have run that course, and personally I liked it, and I run quite fast, large dogs.

On the topic of collection and extension, those are skills that need to be taught to a dog. And in my opinion this is a skill that is often overlooked when training our dogs. Watching dogs from around the country, a lot of dogs will get into collection and not know how to switch back into extension, or a dog will be in extension and not know how to bring themselves into collection. I want my dogs to be able to switch back and forth from collection to extension easily, multiple times on a course. I do focus on training that skill and as a handler it is also my job to cue this collection and extension on course.

We are listening to everyone’s input in regards to courses, and I am making some adjustments. But future courses will continue to have collection vs. extension challenge as what has been seen and a little more technical challenge as well.

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Re: New Course Design !*&%&*
« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2017, 01:02:17 AM »
Amanda,

For those of us who did not run Feather,  can you indicate which of the Champs courses it resembles?   Then I can follow this discussion better.

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« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2017, 05:54:41 AM »
Those courses look fun to me :) Challenging for sure.  I can see the off courses I would have with my dogs but they look like fun to run! 
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« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2017, 06:42:48 AM »
Would you tell us which one of the 3 above is Feather?  Just curious about what some are concerned about recently.  I didn't perceive anything as being unsafe for the dogs (well maybe that teeter thing ;D). Maybe tricky for a sometimes klutzy handler like me with some of the "in my way" obstacles.  But that's a matter of adjusting my handling to fit the course - which is always the case - we all handle each course depending on what works best for our dog.

I guess what I'm curious about is the immediate red flags.  People seem to assume that because they have seen 1 or 2 courses that look different, then EVERY course going forward is going to be just as different. Maybe they will, maybe they won't.   I think it's too soon to make that assumption.  There have always been and always will be some courses more challenging than others. Let's take a breath and see down the road if some of these challenges aren't mixed in with what we're familiar with as well.  And maybe those difficult sequences will become less threatening because we have seen them and figured out how to handle them.
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Re: New Course Design !*&%&*
« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2017, 06:58:48 AM »
None of the pictures that Chris posted are Feather, I will post it later today when I get a second. :-D
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« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2017, 07:32:57 AM »
I have been following this thread for quite some time.  I do not understand why a wrap is such a big deal.  It's a front cross.  The day I find that there is nothing new to be learned will be a sad day indeed.  Agility is a journey of challenges for me and my dogs.  I have fast ones and I have slower ones.  They all run the same courses so I need to adjust MY handling and timing depending on the dog.  This is a bonus challenge for me.  I often don't succeed, but I learn something in the process.  I have yet to see anything on a NADAC course that would cause any harm to my dog.  If I find a portion uncomfortable, I look for alternate ways to handle it.  Or I set it up at home and train it.  I see far more distressing turns and entries in other venues, hence my reluctance to enter them.

A NADAC dog will likely have a long healthy agility career because of the great emphasis on the well being of the dog.  Enjoy it while you can.  It will never be long enough.

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Re: New Course Design !*&%&*
« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2017, 10:16:21 AM »
Round 3 at champs was the rendition of feather.

https://www.nadac.com/Rd3Std.pdf

If you didn’t handle this course it sucked royally.   If you handled it and directed your dog well then it flowed great and the path was always there, but you couldn’t fall asleep on this one


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