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Re: Increasing Participation in NADAC
« Reply #165 on: May 08, 2018, 07:12:44 PM »
One of the things I hear and see quite a bit is the opposite of what's being discussed here (though that's also very true, very valid, and a very good idea).  People get discouraged when they think dogs need to be able to really, really, be exceptional to get to the trial to start with.  Seeing some bloopers in the upper level people seems to soothe nerves that dogs are dogs and stuff happens.

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Re: Increasing Participation in NADAC
« Reply #166 on: May 09, 2018, 12:00:31 AM »
Encourage connections and friendships.  People go where they have friendships.  I have heard many people say...I love NADAC but all my friends do "xyz"
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Re: Increasing Participation in NADAC
« Reply #167 on: May 09, 2018, 05:55:39 AM »

The following was posted.  Iíve never seen or heard anything like this in any venue.  The vast majority of people in any venue would never do anything so appalling.  I watch lots of international competitions and tryouts where placements matter far more than at any NADAC trial other than perhaps Champs and the cheering for teammates and competitors is loud and real.

ďI did a few venues but when I heard handlers cheer when a bar went down for someone else I was discouraged.Ē

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Re: Increasing Participation in NADAC
« Reply #168 on: May 09, 2018, 07:52:22 AM »
@Ricbonner - If you want junior handlers, do that at county and state 4-H events. Heck you could publicise it ahead of time and so the 4-H'ers bring their dogs to try it - I'd recommend solid gating here so the kids dont' have to worry. Get one of those ribbon rolls to have some kind a participation ribbons (kids LOVE ribbons...heck I still do! More colourful the better!) for any kid who tries it. Bam, next generation. This would assume the local training center has classes or at least accepts junior handlers though...

I dont know how all states work (can only speak on Michigan) is the michigan state fair had adult categories too for entry, whereas county fairs were youth. 5-8 year old is cloverbuds, 9-18 is probably who you want to focus on. Most cloverbuds don't do animal handling classes on their own and there are more rules with them around animals. Oakland County in Michigan has a *huge* fair, at least, it was when I participated. Find your counties with the large fairs that already have dog showmanship and agility and obedience classes.

With rabbits, I got into ARBA showing because of 4-H. I see no reason to not do similar with dogs. I know an aussie breeder in FL who works with 4H'ers a lot, and her 4-H'ers who want to get into it do ASCA shows, sometimes with her dogs. Which brings me to my next idea - That also helps bump the fun...if your dog is biddable and runs well with kids - let them run your dog at these demos. I usually let new members in our rabbit club use one of my showmanship rabbits the first year if they wanted - it helps boost the confidence so they can learn their skills without worrying about the rabbit being trained for it. I see no reason this wouldn't translate to dogs.

Of course this is getting quite tangental and getting more into things individuals, especially those who train/teach, need to do rather than nadac-as-a-whole (as individuals get to know their local community etc etc).

That was me who posted about the junior handlers, not Ric :)

I actually have let a few other kids run with my older (now at rainbow bridge) dog at a fun run as she was extremely kid friendly.  And I got non-stop complaints about it from two loud-mouthed adults at the fun run.  Seriously. You would have thought the world was ending because I let two friends of my son try agility with my dog. Have they ever come back with their own dogs?  No!  No doubt because they heard the adults complaining loudly. I sure did!  Kid are not dumb nor are they deaf!

I do like the idea of kid friendly demos.  I need to think about how to do that. My son would be an excellent helper for this since he is still a junior handler!

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Re: Increasing Participation in NADAC
« Reply #169 on: May 09, 2018, 08:18:42 AM »
That was me who posted about the junior handlers, not Ric :)

I actually have let a few other kids run with my older (now at rainbow bridge) dog at a fun run as she was extremely kid friendly.  And I got non-stop complaints about it from two loud-mouthed adults at the fun run.  Seriously. You would have thought the world was ending because I let two friends of my son try agility with my dog. Have they ever come back with their own dogs?  No!  No doubt because they heard the adults complaining loudly. I sure did!  Kid are not dumb nor are they deaf!

I do like the idea of kid friendly demos.  I need to think about how to do that. My son would be an excellent helper for this since he is still a junior handler!

-Amy
Sorry! I may have jumbled. And holy heck that is just terrible, adults do ruin it for kids a lot. I saw it in 4-H too. You are right kids are not dumb nor deaf, and they also seem to be more sensitive to the vybe of enviornments. I left 4-H over it myself - I was pretty good with my rabbits, and I kept beating the rabbit barn superindent's son, years in a row. One year, I went to pick up my rabbits at the end of the week, the superindent dumped a tray of rabbit poo on my head, on purpose. I had two years left I could do 4-H, but I didn't return. So yeah...it is not just dog people who can be shit! It is sadly a thing it seems...people dont want kids to be sucessful or feel good about themselves. It takes a thick skin to break into that kind of envioronment that kids just dont' have - and none of us should have to grow that thick skin in the first place! I try to live my life now by a saying, I learned it in portuguese from brazilian friends, but it roughly translates to "Go where you are wanted, not where you are merely tollerated". The flipside to this being - make spaces where people want to be :)

And that isn't something NADAC can do, it is something every single NADAC exhibitor has to do.

 I did try a NADAC trial around here, few years ago, before getting into SAR, and every single person snubbed me and it took 10 min to find the registration. I was asking people without dogs on them, who were just milling about. No one would talk to me. The registration lady was nice though, gave pointers on where to crate it being my first time, and explained how the lineup works for that location and all that. So I figured I'd try. On the way out to grab my card as I forgot my dog's number, someone bumped into me hard (I was on the side of the isle! plenty of space!) scowled and said "What are you doing?" with a sneer. That was the kicker. I just left and didn't bother. Now, that NADAC trial seemed to have a lot of the AKC folk at their trial, the only two venues here, and I had the same issue at the AKC trial. So no, I don't blame NADAC. I blame a shitty local community. There are clearly some jems like the person running registration, but one kind person cannot undo half a dozen rudes. But in that experience, I heard about VT.

So why do I love VT and feel it increases NADAC participation? Because here, on this online space, I am generally wanted (say for the one or two rude folk who just look down on everyone who does VT, one who had the courage to find me on facebook and message me vitrol, lol, really people get over yerself). But basically, I dont have to worry about the anxiety and fear of dealing with all that crap. I just run my dog, we have a fun run. If it's clean I can send it in. If not, well, we had fun. I love Fenzi courses and do well learning online, so I do that instead. Sure it isn't most people's agility path, but paths dont have to look alike. And, isn't that what agility is all about? Just having fun with your dog how is best for your team :)

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Re: Increasing Participation in NADAC
« Reply #170 on: May 09, 2018, 09:08:24 AM »
Amata I am so sorry you were treated so poorly.  Our agility community is actually pretty darn nice and I think we are pretty welcoming to newbies.

No  I will say that as people have gotten more serious about agility general attitudes have changed.  We had so few trials 20 years ago that everyone was just happy to have one and it was more about having fun not only with your dog but also with other goofy dog people.  I met some great friends by going to trials in other states and just starting conversations with people. 

I have to admit that while I try to answer questions and be pleasant to exhibitors I don't start those conversations with people I don't know.  I guess I'll put that on my list of things to work on.

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Re: Increasing Participation in NADAC
« Reply #171 on: May 10, 2018, 11:19:05 AM »
To the best of my knowledge a prong collar isn't allowed at a NADAC trial unless something has changed that I'm not aware of. 

Ginak
 


Itís always been allowed......at least for the past 25 years it has been.

It is a clubís discretion to allow it - they can put it in their premium if they choose not to allow it but it is allowed by NADAC.

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Re: Increasing Participation in NADAC
« Reply #172 on: May 10, 2018, 12:26:10 PM »


I don't know..... over the years I remember being told things that weren't necessarily in the rule book. 

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Re: Increasing Participation in NADAC
« Reply #173 on: May 10, 2018, 01:45:37 PM »
To the best of my knowledge a prong collar isn't allowed at a NADAC trial unless something has changed that I'm not aware of. 

Ginak
 


Itís always been allowed......at least for the past 25 years it has been.

It is a clubís discretion to allow it - they can put it in their premium if they choose not to allow it but it is allowed by NADAC.

Paula Goss

Yes it is the clubs discretion to allow or not.
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Re: Increasing Participation in NADAC
« Reply #174 on: May 16, 2018, 01:12:32 PM »
Another thought, trials can be difficult for spectators, if they even come they may show up when there is not much action (course building/walking) or they may show up for intro or novice and not be particularly amazed by baby dogs.  And trials are sometimes fairly remote and can actually be kinda boring if you are not running a dog and don't really understand what's happening in the ring.  So maybe clubs or even NADAC could bring agility to the public and setup exhibitions and invite experienced teams to run demo courses.  Maybe at a school or a mall or some community event (state/county fair).  I went to the renaissance fair once and saw a guy demo some sheep dogs actually working sheep.  That was awesome.  A short field could be setup, maybe just a couple hoops/jumps and a tunnel or maybe even using training equipment (3ft dogwalk for example) and 2 or 3 experienced teams running a short course to demonstrate NADAC skills.  That way it could be scheduled - 10 minute demo at 1 PM and 2 PM for example.  And "agility ambassadors" could man a table and answer questions about the sport and the clubs and NADAC.  Maybe even have some agility videos(champs) running on monitors to show off the sport.  That might get some people keen on trying it.

Every year, the shelter that I volunteer for has an event.  I have done a demo for them for the last 8 years or so.  It is well-attended and everyone is duly impressed that the shelter dogs (they all came from this shelter) can do agility.  We also have allowed people to be walked through the course with their dogs (for a donation to the shelter!)  It is a big hit.  Unfortunately, we do not have any NADAC training facilities in my area, so the aspect of getting new people to join NADAC doesn't work as well.  I always hand out my business card though, so if they have questions, they can ask.
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Re: Increasing Participation in NADAC
« Reply #175 on: May 18, 2018, 04:53:08 PM »
Regarding Junior Handlers in NADAC, our club has welcomed JHers into agility ever since we were founded in late 1993.  For 11 years, we have held a Junior Handler only NADAC trial.  The JHers actively participate in our regular NADAC trials, including working the trial.  We have far more complaints about adults than we ever do about the kids.  So if there is a problem, it has nothing to do with NADAC, it has to do with the club.  And there are bad apples in every venue and in every sport.  Deciding not to do NADAC because somebody at a trial was rude and uncouth should not reflect on anyone except that person.

Our club has had Junior Handler classes since the very beginning.  We believe that if you build it, they will come.  We offer a JH class, and they come.  We support our JHers enthusiastically.  We are hoping to bring 3 of them to Champs this year, and our club pays their entry fee and gives each kid $100 spending money to enjoy Champs with.
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Re: Increasing Participation in NADAC
« Reply #176 on: May 20, 2018, 03:18:35 PM »
Regarding Junior Handlers in NADAC, our club has welcomed JHers into agility ever since we were founded in late 1993.  For 11 years, we have held a Junior Handler only NADAC trial.  The JHers actively participate in our regular NADAC trials, including working the trial.  We have far more complaints about adults than we ever do about the kids.  So if there is a problem, it has nothing to do with NADAC, it has to do with the club.  And there are bad apples in every venue and in every sport.  Deciding not to do NADAC because somebody at a trial was rude and uncouth should not reflect on anyone except that person.

Our club has had Junior Handler classes since the very beginning.  We believe that if you build it, they will come.  We offer a JH class, and they come.  We support our JHers enthusiastically.  We are hoping to bring 3 of them to Champs this year, and our club pays their entry fee and gives each kid $100 spending money to enjoy Champs with.

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