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David Tharle

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Re: Yearly voting!
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2019, 08:59:01 AM »
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Now, (someone PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong) I understand the dog will always be taking a path to the outside of barrel,

Kyle

Not sure if there is a rule/directive specific to Chances course design where this might be so, but we presently see other Classes where the dog is asked to pass on the inside or come inside to circle 270 - 360 (Still finding that easier to teach than the teeter).
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Re: Yearly voting!
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2019, 10:08:58 AM »
Dave,

I know we had the path come to the inside all this time but, I remember hearing somewhere that has changed and wouldn't be seen again.....???? I'll send a note to Chris and Amanda asking them. I'd just kinda like to know for myself if nothing else.  ;D And, yup, I agree, a barrel is a ton easier to teach than a teeter to get a safe performance!

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Re: Yearly voting!
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2019, 10:43:45 AM »
Ideally we don't want to see maneuvers on a barrel that require a 'come, switch' command.    It just doesn't work well in the real world, and even the advanced dogs who have been raised on barrels don't handle it well enough for us to want to see it.   They can do it, but it's not what it should be for a dog who was raised with that obstacle and should be proficient with it.

Now, that isn't to say you'll never see it.   Sometimes a course designer gets stuck and you don't want to redesign an entire course.  So it happens.   But we don't want to see anyone intentionally putting that sequence on courses.

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Re: Yearly voting!
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2019, 11:13:27 AM »
Ideally we don't want to see maneuvers on a barrel that require a 'come, switch' command.    It just doesn't work well in the real world, and even the advanced dogs who have been raised on barrels don't handle it well enough for us to want to see it.   They can do it, but it's not what it should be for a dog who was raised with that obstacle and should be proficient with it.

Now, that isn't to say you'll never see it.   Sometimes a course designer gets stuck and you don't want to redesign an entire course.  So it happens.   But we don't want to see anyone intentionally putting that sequence on courses.

Two observations - and correct me if I'm wrong on the first one - but you can and will see this in a Barrelers course - just not so much in the others.

And secondly, it sometimes just depends on how the human handles the sequences before the barrel.  I have often seen where most handlers setup their cues so the dog is going out and around, but another handler who has different strengths and weaknesses will handle it the other way around.  So on paper it might be "intended" to be just an out around, but a human has decided to run it as a come/switch.
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Re: Yearly voting!
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2019, 11:49:13 AM »
Ideally we don't want to see maneuvers on a barrel that require a 'come, switch' command.    It just doesn't work well in the real world, and even the advanced dogs who have been raised on barrels don't handle it well enough for us to want to see it.   They can do it, but it's not what it should be for a dog who was raised with that obstacle and should be proficient with it.

Now, that isn't to say you'll never see it.   Sometimes a course designer gets stuck and you don't want to redesign an entire course.  So it happens.   But we don't want to see anyone intentionally putting that sequence on courses.

Two observations - and correct me if I'm wrong on the first one - but you can and will see this in a Barrelers course - just not so much in the others.

And secondly, it sometimes just depends on how the human handles the sequences before the barrel.  I have often seen where most handlers setup their cues so the dog is going out and around, but another handler who has different strengths and weaknesses will handle it the other way around.  So on paper it might be "intended" to be just an out around, but a human has decided to run it as a come/switch.


Correct on both counts.

With barrelers being a specials skills class, and that skill being the ability to go around a barrel, you might see it more often there.

And yeah there is usually a intended handler and dog path with most judges, but some people just want to watch the world burn and do crazy things haha


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Re: Yearly voting!
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2019, 10:47:19 PM »


...but some people just want to watch the world burn and do crazy things haha


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Re: Yearly voting!
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2019, 05:51:18 AM »

 some people just want to watch the world burn and do crazy things haha


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Re: Yearly voting!
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2019, 07:16:42 AM »
but some people just want to watch the world burn and do crazy things haha


Dude! I know that sometimes its hard to find words to describe Bonus people but, puuuleeeese.......

HAHAHAHAHA!!!  ;) ;) ;)

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