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Chris Nelson

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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2018, 11:21:00 AM »
How would folks feel if instead of the 100 points in elite regular rule,  it was 100 points overall in regular, chances and Jumpers?


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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2018, 12:14:14 PM »
Sounds good to me!


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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2018, 01:19:53 PM »
How would folks feel if instead of the 100 points in elite regular rule,  it was 100 points overall in regular, chances and Jumpers?


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Chris- could you expand on what this means and what levels it would apply to?    I don't understand what you mean when you say "100 points overall in regular, chances and jumpers".    Are you talking about 100 points overall in regular chances and jumpers from the elite level or from any level?   

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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2018, 01:43:46 PM »
I think I like it but it depends on the clarification.  If you mean we could qualify with 100 points in elite jumpers (no small feat for us given how often she knocks bars!) and regular combined and not have to deal with open chances until she's ready, I'm 100% for it! 

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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2018, 02:22:50 PM »
It would be cumulative.

So 50 in elite regular,  30 in elite jumpers and 20 in elite chances,  you’re in the elite division.




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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2018, 05:43:06 PM »
So if you are good at chances, but not fast enough to get any jumpers or many regular, you would qualify for elite champs, with not much experience with long courses.  Just a different issue.

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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2018, 08:13:21 PM »
Considering all the courses from this year's champs were regular courses, I think the 100 points for Elite regular should stay. Maybe the chances/jumpers option can be looked at to possibly consider points from open or elite.

I remember years ago when teams had to have 250 lifetime points (as well as 100 regular for the year) in regular in order to qualify and that was tricky for my stakes BC who always struggled with regular! It was our challenge to work on those regular Q's so we could do well at champs.

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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2018, 02:17:02 AM »
I am sure Chris will clarify tomorrow but i THINK he is talking about the cap for pre-elite, not the qualification for Elite.




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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2018, 07:34:57 AM »
If it is the cap, that's a whole different story on my opinion.  I would disagree with that as a proposed cap while I liked it as a qualification.  I'll use my baby dog as an example.  We moved to elite in a game (tunnelers in her case) far before her brain was ready for anything other than novice regular.  But we started tunnels as our first obstacle and she loves tunnelers and since the course is the same and she's fast, there was no reason to not move up to elite with the titles (e.g. 3 novice Qs, 3 open Qs).  But she was then Q'ing in elite tunnelers while still in novice for most other classes.  But those games Qs don't make her suddenly ready for elite regular courses at champs.  She did well this year in pre-elite but was definitely not ready for regular elite courses (though I hope to be ready for next year!).

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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2018, 09:37:38 AM »
If it is the cap, that's a whole different story on my opinion.  I would disagree with that as a proposed cap while I liked it as a qualification.  I'll use my baby dog as an example.  We moved to elite in a game (tunnelers in her case) far before her brain was ready for anything other than novice regular.  But we started tunnels as our first obstacle and she loves tunnelers and since the course is the same and she's fast, there was no reason to not move up to elite with the titles (e.g. 3 novice Qs, 3 open Qs).  But she was then Q'ing in elite tunnelers while still in novice for most other classes.  But those games Qs don't make her suddenly ready for elite regular courses at champs.  She did well this year in pre-elite but was definitely not ready for regular elite courses (though I hope to be ready for next year!).

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If I'm interpreting Chris's post the way Jimmy thinks he means it.  It would mean that IF a dog had 50 Elite Regular points and 30 Elite Jumpers points and 20 Elite Chances points, then they would have to enter the Elite division and not the pre-elite division.  So having Elite Qs in tunnelers (or other games) would not be a deciding factor for having to enter Elite - just Elite Qs in the 3 core NATCH classes. 
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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2018, 10:28:17 AM »
This is getting confusing for me.  Would this mean that you could get more than 50 Elite Regular points, but would not be disqualified in pre-elite if you, for example, struggled with chances and could not get into elite chances (or jumpers)?  That would be a good way to shrink that no mans land.  Again, this wouldn't be until 2020, but I like the idea of not having a dog get pointed out to where they are "too good" for one and "not good enough" for the other. 

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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2018, 10:53:01 AM »
I took it to mean 100 points in any combination or from one of the 3 classes. 


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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2018, 11:29:53 AM »
I think I'll wait for Chris to clarify :) Confused!
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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2018, 12:48:57 PM »
I think at this point we should stop posting to this post and wait for Chris to clarify what is going to actually be the requirement, even if it takes a few weeks.  I feel that everyone is getting way to confused by the assumptions that are being made.  :)
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Re: Updates for 2019 Champs, Regionals and the trainers program
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2018, 04:23:36 PM »
So let's keep in mind this was just an 'idea', not any kind of rule change or anything that's definitely happening :)

With that said it would strictly be a a way to disqualify folks from entering Pre-Elite when they don't truly have a Pre-Elite dog.

So if you have 200 points in Elite Chances, 200 points in Elite Jumpers, but you keep your dog in Open Regular so you can enter Pre-Elite.  Technically right now someone could do this.

By including Jumpers and Chances we could fix that.   It's not your qualification needed, strictly what would disqualify you from entering Pre-Elite with a dog who isn't truly belonging there.