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David B

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Verb the AKC BC: DRI?
« on: February 16, 2019, 04:23:16 AM »
Verb smoked the final course to win Westminster agility.  I'm curious as to what the DRI number would be.  Though someone here might have the number.

Chris Nelson

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Re: Verb the AKC BC: DRI?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2019, 05:20:36 AM »
It would have been a 111+

We top them out at 111, it would have been a LOT larger then that :)

Only issue is that we don't have teeters, so it's a bit of a hard thing to compare directly, since our DRI numbers don't account for the teeter in any way.  But still pretty close to what it would have been

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Re: Verb the AKC BC: DRI?
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2019, 05:29:59 AM »
Wow, thanks for the quick response!  Hopefully you are on the east coast up early to trial. 

I had come back to modify the question to: Yards Per Second, which is something this humble team can more relate to.

 We ARE barking at the DRI door though.  :)

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Re: Verb the AKC BC: DRI?
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2019, 06:16:11 AM »
The official results sheet lists the YPS for each dog in the finals:  http://www.fasttimesagility.com/WESTMINSTER/2019_Qs/FINALS%20RESULTS%202019.pdf

This can be compared to the DRI YPS requirements in the NADAC rule book: https://www.nadac.com/WPsite/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/ExhibitorHandbook_Jan_2019-2.pdf  (page 33)

P!ink's time was actually faster, but because the AKC rules wheel different yardage for the different heights, her YPS was lower than Verb's, which is why Verb was the overall Champion. This has been a rather contentious subject since Westminster began. It more or less makes it impossible for any height other than 20" to win.
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Re: Verb the AKC BC: DRI?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2019, 06:32:48 AM »
Wow, thanks for the quick response!  Hopefully you are on the east coast up early to trial. 

I had come back to modify the question to: Yards Per Second, which is something this humble team can more relate to.

 We ARE barking at the DRI door though.  :)

According to their yardage which was 195, it was around 6 YPS.

When I did yardage I got 169, which is 5.27 YPS.       So obviously we do things a little differently in what we consider the dogs path.   Which is odd since the majority of the dogs running had a WAY tighter path then what their yardage would indicate. 

Unless they give more yardage for contacts and tunnels then we do?  Not sure where the difference in numbers comes from

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Re: Verb the AKC BC: DRI?
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2019, 07:26:01 AM »
AKC assumes that small dogs will turn tighter than a large dog, hence why the yardage for the lower heights is less than the yardage for the large dogs. Judges have to wheel the course 3 times with the 3 different paths (small, medium, large). It's part of their training, although obviously no two judges are going to wheel exactly the same. Some judges are known for "wheeling big" and that will help teams to earn more MACH points in each run. Those judges tend to be a bit more popular than those that "wheel tight" and result in teams getting lower points.

But in short it's not about distance between obstacles, but the path that the dogs of different sizes are anticipated to take. Sometimes there are choices (like wraps or backsides) that competitors can make. A longer route may result in more yardage or time, but set their dog up for a better line, for example. Judges do tend to wheel the shorter path, though.
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Re: Verb the AKC BC: DRI?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2019, 02:02:26 PM »
Thanks for explaining.  I was wondering how they determined that there was an overall winner. 

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Re: Verb the AKC BC: DRI?
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2019, 08:38:30 PM »
The official results sheet lists the YPS for each dog in the finals:  http://www.fasttimesagility.com/WESTMINSTER/2019_Qs/FINALS%20RESULTS%202019.pdf

This can be compared to the DRI YPS requirements in the NADAC rule book: https://www.nadac.com/WPsite/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/ExhibitorHandbook_Jan_2019-2.pdf  (page 33)

P!ink's time was actually faster, but because the AKC rules wheel different yardage for the different heights, her YPS was lower than Verb's, which is why Verb was the overall Champion. This has been a rather contentious subject since Westminster began. It more or less makes it impossible for any height other than 20" to win.

You are right, and I think it's unfair.
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