grandfather into Gamblers

[Marcy Matties]

I was talking to someone yesterday and wondered about something.

Right now - let's say you have a dog running tunnelers. They get their novice title, move to open, get 2 legs, and then move into elite. Those elite points show up - but don't "count" until they backfill 1 leg in open to earn their open title.

Will the same work in elite gamblers? So if a dog is running in elite chances - and has let's say 1 elite chances Q. Can they enter elite gamblers right away and those points just don't "count" until they earn the second two legs of their chances title?

Kelly

The Exhibitor's Handbook says:   Novice level title and an Open level title in that particular class must be earned before entry is allowed at the Elite level

And it says:  If a dog is prematurely moved to a higher level in a class before completing the requirements for the lower level title in that class, the dog must go back to the lower level to complete the requirements for that level title before any higher level titles will be awarded. Any points earned at the higher level prior to the completion of the lower level title will be lost.

So the way I read it, someone skipping ahead is violating the rules.  And not only do they need to go back and complete that 2nd and/or 3rd Q, but they LOSE the upper level Qs.  So it's not just that those Qs are "on hold" until the lower level is completed.  It reads like they are lost.

[RebeccaU]

I believe those rules are in place for teams that are not grandfathered in.  Someone new to NADAC in the next 6 months would have to start in Novice and complete the title before moving up.  Chris has allowed grandfathering into Gamblers for current NADAC handlers at this time only. So if you are running Elite Chances, you may grandfather into Elite Chances.  What I don't know is if a title in Elite Chances is required or just a Q or 2.

[Chris Nelson]

That first statement says if they are running in that level of Chances they can enter in the level of Gamblers.
To me that seems pretty clear.

Yes, except that is different than what the NADAC website says which is that you have to have 30 points in Elite Chances to grandfather in.

Thank you for pointing that out!

It is something that's changed since the release, so I'll get that page updated

[Chris Nelson]

I was talking to someone yesterday and wondered about something.

Right now - let's say you have a dog running tunnelers. They get their novice title, move to open, get 2 legs, and then move into elite. Those elite points show up - but don't "count" until they backfill 1 leg in open to earn their open title.

Will the same work in elite gamblers? So if a dog is running in elite chances - and has let's say 1 elite chances Q. Can they enter elite gamblers right away and those points just don't "count" until they earn the second two legs of their chances title?

Kelly

No we will be cross checking with Chances.  So long as they are competing at the same level they are in chances, in gamblers, their points will show up as they earn them

[Chris Nelson]

I believe those rules are in place for teams that are not grandfathered in.  Someone new to NADAC in the next 6 months would have to start in Novice and complete the title before moving up.  Chris has allowed grandfathering into Gamblers for current NADAC handlers at this time only. So if you are running Elite Chances, you may grandfather into Elite Chances.  What I don't know is if a title in Elite Chances is required or just a Q or 2.

Correct!

And we're allowing it for people who are competing at that level, so basically if you have a Q in elite chances, you can compete in elite gamblers.

[mephalon]

Question along these lines- we are in Elite Chances- can I start in Open Gamblers or are my choices Elite (grandfathered in from Chances) or Novice as if i were brand new?

Hope my question makes sense

M

[Chris Nelson]

Question along these lines- we are in Elite Chances- can I start in Open Gamblers or are my choices Elite (grandfathered in from Chances) or Novice as if i were brand new?

Hope my question makes sense

M

You always have the option to enter at a lower level.   That goes for any nadac class, regardless of what titles or awards you have

[KellyDittmar]

No we will be cross checking with Chances.  So long as they are competing at the same level they are in chances, in gamblers, their points will show up as they earn them

Thanks Chris!

Kelly

[KellyDittmar]

Someone new to NADAC in the next 6 months would have to start in Novice and complete the title before moving up.  Chris has allowed grandfathering into Gamblers for current NADAC handlers at this time only.

I hope someone from NADAC can chime in about this - is this accurate? That grandfathering for folks to their chances level will not allowed indefinitely? If so - can you say why that is? It seems like you'd always allow someone to grandfather from a different org - so why not always allow the grandfathering to the chances level for those who choose to only run NADAC?

Kelly

[Scott Casino]

It won't be indefinite because Gamblers has just been re-introduced into NADAC. There are some teams who probably have the skills for successful performance at the higher levels but don't want to enter lower levels to earn their way up (for a variety of reasons). To help the introduction of Gamblers, NADAC is simply using your current Chances level as a surrogate measure of your skills so that you can enter a level suitable for your skills.

But once the introductory phase is over, Gamblers will be like every other class in terms of title progressions: teams will have to demonstrate their skills to advance.

The grandfathering-from-other-venues is based on the same concept but the intent is somewhat different (to entice other venue exhibitors to try NADAC).

[Chris Nelson]

It won't be indefinite because Gamblers has just been re-introduced into NADAC. There are some teams who probably have the skills for successful performance at the higher levels but don't want to enter lower levels to earn their way up (for a variety of reasons). To help the introduction of Gamblers, NADAC is simply using your current Chances level as a surrogate measure of your skills so that you can enter a level suitable for your skills.

But once the introductory phase is over, Gamblers will be like every other class in terms of title progressions: teams will have to demonstrate their skills to advance.

The grandfathering-from-other-venues is based on the same concept but the intent is somewhat different (to entice other venue exhibitors to try NADAC).

Correct answer here.

We're allowing the grandfathering for awhile so folks don't have to start 'from scratch'.   But eventually that will go away.   

[Donna & Gracie]

So the grandfathering of Gamblers is temporary. Is it a correct assumption to say that as long as you have a qualified run in Elite gamblers you can stay in Elite ? If you don’t get a opportunity to run gamblers because you can’t get to trials or they don’t offer gamblers in your area, you would need to start in Novice even if you have multiple Natch level scores in chances ? Any idea on how long the grandfathering will be offered? Thanks Donna and Gracie

[Chris Nelson]

So the grandfathering of Gamblers is temporary. Is it a correct assumption to say that as long as you have a qualified run in Elite gamblers you can stay in Elite ? If you don’t get a opportunity to run gamblers because you can’t get to trials or they don’t offer gamblers in your area, you would need to start in Novice even if you have multiple Natch level scores in chances ? Any idea on how long the grandfathering will be offered? Thanks Donna and Gracie

We'll keep it going for probably a year.  That should give everyone enough time to try it