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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2020, 08:14:32 AM »
Yup you can run them Monday :)

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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2020, 08:18:59 AM »
THANKS! That was so quick, it's as if you were just sitting there, waiting for me to write.... :D

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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2020, 09:50:45 AM »
No reason why those without contacts canít just compete in the Jumpers! Just do it! Wish you could come to my place for the contacts. I live in LA. Lower Alabama!

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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2020, 12:38:47 PM »
No reason why those without contacts canít just compete in the Jumpers! Just do it! Wish you could come to my place for the contacts. I live in LA. Lower Alabama!
*waves to the south* so that means i'm n/a ... :P north alabama!

eta (totally forgot to ask my question! ha)
I am super new to how champs is scored - and it was said that clean runs would get a Q for the elite level - but with it being time+faults, is there a course time limit still like usual?
jump heights - so this is different too, I was reading the 2020 info sheet and it isn't 100% clear. We run 16" (skilled). wither height 19". So this means she is large, does that mean she has to jump the 22"? Which is confusing as I thought max was 20" in nadac now.
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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2020, 02:04:00 PM »
No reason why those without contacts canít just compete in the Jumpers! Just do it! Wish you could come to my place for the contacts. I live in LA. Lower Alabama!
*waves to the south* so that means i'm n/a ... :P north alabama!

eta (totally forgot to ask my question! ha)
I am super new to how champs is scored - and it was said that clean runs would get a Q for the elite level - but with it being time+faults, is there a course time limit still like usual?
jump heights - so this is different too, I was reading the 2020 info sheet and it isn't 100% clear. We run 16" (skilled). wither height 19". So this means she is large, does that mean she has to jump the 22"? Which is confusing as I thought max was 20" in nadac now.

Hopefully I can make this simple...  Think of the VT Challenge  and VT runs as two different hats - but only one run.  With your VT run hat on, the run is no different than any other VT run.  Just like all of the other VTs you run and submit.  There is a standard course time you have to meet or beat (as well as be clean) to get a Q.

Now think about the VT Challenge Hat. Even though it's the exact same run you just ran with your VT hat on, it is scored differently than a standard VT run. Throw out a required standard course time.  It doesn't apply.  So your dog still jumped at the same height as he always does. But there's no different time requirement by height like there is for normal runs.  Time is time - no matter how tall or small the dog.

So here's how it's scored ...  All dogs start with a score of 150 points.  Then their time is deducted from that.  Then their faults are deducted from that and - voila - you have a finished "score."  It's not a Q - it's just a # that represents their score.  So if your dog ran clean and ran the course in 45 seconds, then your score would be 105.  If some other dog runs the course in 35 seconds, but has a 10 point fault, then their score is also 105. 

So all dogs are judged by their final score.  And they are GROUPED for placement by their size.  Not their jump height - but their measured proficient height.  So a 21" dog that jumps 12 inches is still grouped with all other dogs that are in that Large Height category.  (I think those heights and categories are listed in another forum post.). And a dog that measures 19" and jumps 16" is STILL grouped with all other dogs in the Large Height category.  And the winners of those categories get the prize/bragging rights.  So even though your 21" dog jumps 12", he is not competing against the dog who's standard proficient jump height is ACTUALLY 12".  That dog is competing against other dogs that have the same proficient height as he does.

What it comes down to strategy-wise is this:  you have to figure out if it's better to run "steady" and minimize faults, or go pedal to the metal and risk having faults deduced from your faster time.  You will see all combinations at Champs.  Winners are usually a mix of really fast dogs who might (or might not) have a fault or two here and there - versus dogs who are not quite as fast - but make few if any mistakes.

Hope this helps.
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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2020, 03:08:53 PM »
Ahhh gotcha!
That makes sense ty

So followup: since im used to clean or not: say dog knocks a bar for a jump that is to be taken again later. Is that like a doublefault then bc they cant take it again? And we dont have bar setters.
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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2020, 03:50:17 PM »
Just like at a regular trial, you are not double-faulted if your dog knocks a bar on the first time through.  The dog just needs to go between the uprights of the previously faulted jump to have "completed" the jump the second time through.

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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2020, 05:25:41 AM »
No reason why those without contacts canít just compete in the Jumpers! Just do it! Wish you could come to my place for the contacts. I live in LA. Lower Alabama!
*waves to the south* so that means i'm n/a ... :P north alabama!

eta (totally forgot to ask my question! ha)
I am super new to how champs is scored - and it was said that clean runs would get a Q for the elite level - but with it being time+faults, is there a course time limit still like usual?
jump heights - so this is different too, I was reading the 2020 info sheet and it isn't 100% clear. We run 16" (skilled). wither height 19". So this means she is large, does that mean she has to jump the 22"? Which is confusing as I thought max was 20" in nadac now.

Hopefully I can make this simple...  Think of the VT Challenge  and VT runs as two different hats - but only one run.  With your VT run hat on, the run is no different than any other VT run.  Just like all of the other VTs you run and submit.  There is a standard course time you have to meet or beat (as well as be clean) to get a Q.

Now think about the VT Challenge Hat. Even though it's the exact same run you just ran with your VT hat on, it is scored differently than a standard VT run. Throw out a required standard course time.  It doesn't apply.  So your dog still jumped at the same height as he always does. But there's no different time requirement by height like there is for normal runs.  Time is time - no matter how tall or small the dog.

So here's how it's scored ...  All dogs start with a score of 150 points.  Then their time is deducted from that.  Then their faults are deducted from that and - voila - you have a finished "score."  It's not a Q - it's just a # that represents their score.  So if your dog ran clean and ran the course in 45 seconds, then your score would be 105.  If some other dog runs the course in 35 seconds, but has a 10 point fault, then their score is also 105. 

So all dogs are judged by their final score.  And they are GROUPED for placement by their size.  Not their jump height - but their measured proficient height.  So a 21" dog that jumps 12 inches is still grouped with all other dogs that are in that Large Height category.  (I think those heights and categories are listed in another forum post.). And a dog that measures 19" and jumps 16" is STILL grouped with all other dogs in the Large Height category.  And the winners of those categories get the prize/bragging rights.  So even though your 21" dog jumps 12", he is not competing against the dog who's standard proficient jump height is ACTUALLY 12".  That dog is competing against other dogs that have the same proficient height as he does.

What it comes down to strategy-wise is this:  you have to figure out if it's better to run "steady" and minimize faults, or go pedal to the metal and risk having faults deduced from your faster time.  You will see all combinations at Champs.  Winners are usually a mix of really fast dogs who might (or might not) have a fault or two here and there - versus dogs who are not quite as fast - but make few if any mistakes.

Hope this helps.


The only thing I'd add to Marcy's description, is Normally if you've gone off course, or been overtime, most of us wouldn't submit that run since it's with your VT hat on, an NQ or not qualifying run. You still submit it for the Challenge since the Overall score and ranking is based on Time + Faults.  That piece alone adds a bit of suspense to the mix.  A few of us have done the challenge and we're hoping the weather holds out for Sunday so we can do the Regular Challenge.
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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2020, 06:59:49 AM »
Thanks all!  ;D
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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2020, 11:50:54 AM »
This was super fun, and DDare was deliriously happy to run a whole course--twice!  And we beat the rain.
I have uploaded, but wasn't sure how to label the course or division, etc. so I hope you can figure it out. You know us. Maybe turn the volume down LOL

Thanks, looking  forward to round 3 and 4.

Chris and DDare

PS please ignore the lumbering handler with quarantine hair.  <grin>
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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2020, 01:55:32 PM »
This was super fun, and DDare was deliriously happy to run a whole course--twice!  And we beat the rain.
I have uploaded, but wasn't sure how to label the course or division, etc. so I hope you can figure it out. You know us. Maybe turn the volume down LOL

Thanks, looking  forward to round 3 and 4.

Chris and DDare

PS please ignore the lumbering handler with quarantine hair.  <grin>

hahaha we all feel that way.
Glad you mentioned your dogs name you're making me go watch your video for fun!
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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2020, 09:15:50 PM »
Without the labels for the challenge in the submit system, want our dog's actual wither height like in the title of video or such?
Like the video title of: Jumpers - Round 1 - 19"
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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2020, 05:00:17 AM »
if you're doing the VT Jumpers challenge you enterit  is as Elite Jumpers and VT Jumpers Challenge as the course name

Them in the round menu simply 1,2,3,4 as you normally would

Same with Regular enter as elite Regular,  with the course name VT challegen Regular

Enter your regular jump height!
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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2020, 07:48:04 AM »
Without the labels for the challenge in the submit system, want our dog's actual wither height like in the title of video or such?
Like the video title of: Jumpers - Round 1 - 19"
Nope, we've got all that information in our files :)

Probably this evening or Monday everyone who has submitted videos so far will get a confirmation email to make sure the info we have listed is accurate

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Re: NADAC Video Run Challenge!
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2020, 09:44:49 AM »
Without the labels for the challenge in the submit system, want our dog's actual wither height like in the title of video or such?
Like the video title of: Jumpers - Round 1 - 19"
Nope, we've got all that information in our files :)

Probably this evening or Monday everyone who has submitted videos so far will get a confirmation email to make sure the info we have listed is accurate
Oh coolio!
I just sent in Jumpers...r1/2 was a good jam for us, 3/4 i kept confusing her (and myself) so it's like watching molasses run slowly as it tumbles over itself ;D enjoy!
All in all, fun, and showed me we are better than I thought, which was a nice surprise :)
We are on rest for a gimp now, so no regulars will happen.

I hope NADAC does this again some time!
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